I'm basing my statement on measureable, testable results. As I stated previously, unborn children achieve growth, respond to outside stimuli, have measureable heart and brainwave patterns, and have a DNA sequence separate and distinct from the mother. What other evidence is required to prove that the baby is alive? Should we not walk on the side of life? I think I used this example before a while back, but if you're driving down a dark street at night, and see a shape ahead of you that may or may not be a person. Do you speed up and try to hit it? Or do you slow down cautiously? My point in what I said above is that if we allow the state to make the determination, then entire classes of people could be in jeopardy, and already are in many parts of the world.

LMAO...yes. One news station that hasn't buried it's tongue down some liberal president's throat comes along and breaks up the monopoly that's been in place since the late 60's and it's the evil empire.

Meanwhile, Dan "We know the documents are false but they're daming to Bush's campaign so we're going to run with them" Rather got off easy by being allowed to retire, all the major broadcast networks get away with using the words ultra-conservative to describe both terrorists and Replican Senators/Congressman, and NPR/PBS continue to get public funding to tell us conservatives what bastards we are. You're breaking my heart.

Like your use of the word rednecks, by the way. Another shining example of leftist hypocrisy. Nobody can denegrate anyone in this country anymore, unless he's a conservative Christian white-male gun owner. Then he's free game.

Vince Foster for President in 08!

Yeah. Especiallly if he's from the south.

Not only, that, but your little parody can easily be turned on it's ear.

By making statements like that, you don't see that you're becoming what you hate? And you see no hypocrisy in this position?

Hmmm. Very.....clever....of you.

In other words, your just randomly firing of utter nonsense to get a reaction? Well, here is mine.

News flash: Racists are a MINORITY in and of themselves. The average American, conservative or liberal or somewhere in between doesn't give a flying flip about the color of your skin. Who CONSTANTLY and POINTLESSLY makes race an issue where it's not (like in the New Orleans debacle)???

The democrats. The so-called enlightened left wing. THEY are the ones who are pitting blacks against whites in a selfish, pathetic, and, to me OBVIOUS ploy to keep the black vote. This despite the fact that the democrats have been promising for DECADES that they were going to help out blacks and other minorities, and yet it's their policies of fostering economic dependency on the government that is keeping them in a bad posetion in the first place.

Bush has done more for minorities in first year than Clinton did in eight. He has more minority cabinet members. He passed the No Child Left Behind act--which WOULDN'T be underfunded, I might add, if not for the unforseeable events of 9/11/01--that is finally trying to hit minority poverty where the problem starts: childhood, and not having a decent education. As opposed to treating the symptoms and thereby creating more with welfare.

I must admit I agree with you Chalts. And it brings to mind something that really pissed me off at the time - Denzel Washington and Halle Berry winning best actor and actress oscars. History was made because they were both black, which supposedly signified the fact that colour doesn't mater and you can (and should) win an oscar no matter what your colour. OK, says I, that's fantastic. Colour is no longer relevant and nor should it be. But.... Then both award winners plus the media made a huge point of saying how great it was that two black people won awards. They drew attention to the fact. If colour really didn'yt matter then it would have been a case of 'Denzel Washigton won the award because he's a great actor' not 'oh, how cool that a black man won'. In saying what a great breakthrough it was, they actually weakened the whole point. I'm not sure if I'm getting across what I'm trying to say but hopefully you understand. In a truly equal world where colour didn't matter, nobody would have even noticed that the winners were black, let alone talk about it. They would just acknowledge that 2 great actors won deserved awards. The end.

The American left and media are notorious for this. They make a big deal out of token minorities, and yet there's an almost unsaid "In spite of being *insert group here*, they're able to do this". Color should have no basis in anything.

I could not possibly agree with Chaltab and YIYF more. It is so hypocritical when these liberals call us rascist and "intolerant". They spout off about equality of the races. TRUE equality of the races means not worrying about their skin color and judging them based on who they are. Instead, the liberals go on and on about the "first black" to do this, or the "first black" to do that. For heaven's sake- they're the ones who are distinguishing the minorities from everyone else! THAT's hypocrisy. The hidden message of the liberals to the blacks is, "You're incapable of supporting yourselves or making anything of yourself in life (because you're black and that makes you different from all of us) so we're going to help you and give you money so that you don't have to (unlike the white people because they don't need it).

And that brings us to another stupidity- Affirmative Action. You don't know how many surveys I've taken where they say, "Depending on what race you belong to, you may receive certain monetary benefits." But THAT isn't rascist- it's "affirmative action." The whole situation is turned around now. Now, it's the white males that get the shaft- and nobody cares or recognizes how ridiculous it really is. In a truly equal situation, race would be ignored entirely. This is far from the case.

Oh, and by the way...looks like the pro-life folks won the abortion argument- again.

Hey, it's not my fault the catholic church has never elected a black pope, or there has never been a black president!

Guess what? There are more white people than black people. Not very many people become president or the pope. It is not surprising that none of them are black- it makes sense considering the makeup of our population.

And the main point is- who cares? Who should care what race the president or the pope is? Isn't it more important what kind of person they are? How well they'll do the job? If you think these things differ depending on your race, then I'm afraid that you yourself are rascist and not me.

By the way, I actually consider myself liberal. I just happened to agree with what Chaltab said. We're not all narrow minded you know (which is why I can see that trooperman is spot on with what he said about Affirmative Action). I can see both sides of the story and when the 'other' side makes a good point, I can accept it. A happy medium is needed, me thinks.

ARNIE FOR PRESIDENT!!

He's white, but he's an immigrant, a true testament to the American dream. He's Republican but able to act liberally if it is the right way to go. Plus he's Arnie.

speaking of racism, all i've seen since high school are bad excuses for the way african americans act in american society, the white man is holding them down crap. THeir is way too much liberal garbage which is now so rampant white people are losing their own culture and being under reverse racism even those whose family are not racist or have no history with the french, or spanish enslaving them. Rap music has taken over the country, and none of those getting rich off of it are reaching down to help their own. Not only that but rap perpetuates being dumbed down and lowly educated and immoral as being cool, and being a thug who are sexist and think killing is cool. Martin Luther king was a devout christian and an educated man, and an admirable one. He should be the example not 50 cent, dr. dre, snoop doggy dogg, puff daddy (p diddy) etc. But the common misconception is that being intelligent and not some broken talking english moron is uncool, and that would make martin luther king too white. The same think with bill cosby, or samuel l. jackson and others there smart dudes, does that make them white? Besides rap is being the death of rock n roll because kids won't follow their own culture they want to imitate someone elses, I'm a die hard rock fan and hate rap music. But that does'nt mean other people can't enjoy it, in fact many hip hop artists are impressive lyricists but i just don't like the vibes of the music. I understand that in the early days it was a way to report things that were going down in the hood, and a protest ungainst injustuce but know it's just unother bastardized enetertainment form. I could say the same about a lot of rock music from the 90's to now, as i'm a purist. Besides rock and roll appeals to my Angst and memories about being a teenager, but classical music and soundtracks are more "pure" forms of music that appeal to my emotional, and cerebral intellectual side. Maybe i'm just too old as a 27 year old white guy but hip hop just does'nt make sense to me, i just don't get it, and i think that is becausei'm not black. And no i'm not racist, because one of my best friends is an african american.

"ARNIE FOR PRESIDENT!!"

god no " the presinator"

he was not born in this country so he'll never be president, besides he has too close ties to the kennedy family and that a no no in the republican party. Then again the last two elections had the worst possible choices for president in modern american history, one bad texan gov. and a former bad liet gov from ma in 2004 election, and al gore and said texan gov before that. It makes a bad immoral president like clinton look like a bonafide hero, good grief.

If you mean Al Shaprton.... then is it any surprise? He is one of the so called leaders of "black America" who constantly plays the race card as a tool. It seems to me he cares more about staying in charge and having the power than actually helping "his people"...

If, on the other hand, say Condeliza Rice ran for president, I would probably vote for her. Unless I discovered some glaring reason not to.

But Sharpton's loss has nothing to do with race, and to even suggest it is ridiculous. As for the Pope...

The Pope isn't even an American thing. And Popes are not democratically elected. (Are they? :confused

I doubt Condi will run. I think the next one's going to the dems because the Reps are going to take a major hit for the hurricaine problems and the economy. However, I think Hillary is unelectable. Watch out for Barack (sp?) Obamma.

That is irrelevent. What does imagined racism at the Vatican have anything to do with politics in the US?

As for your question: If either of them run, I will obviously be voting for Condoleeza Rice... You'd have to pay me a lot of money to get me to vote for Clinton, and I still might refuse.