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PS78: Pre-ANH Star Wars Bootleg VHS from 1978 ***"RAW" DVD RELEASED*** — Page 7

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TServo2049 said:

Isn't the TPM VHS copy-protected? You need to find a way to bypass that if you want to test the machine with that tape.

is there no end to the disappointment and frustration that film can cause?

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TServo2049 said:

Isn't the TPM VHS copy-protected? You need to find a way to bypass that if you want to test the machine with that tape.

The TBC inside of the Panasonic AG-1980 should chew right through Macrovision protection.

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frank678 said:

i'm hoping you didn't have to pay $16,99 to get that phantom menace tape.. even though it is mint   

See my other post. Also, I only paid $7.50!

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AntcuFaalb said:

TServo2049 said:

Isn't the TPM VHS copy-protected? You need to find a way to bypass that if you want to test the machine with that tape.

The TBC inside of the Panasonic AG-1980 should chew right through Macrovision protection.

Some DVD recorders like mine will still refuse to record if they detect the Macrovision signal though. The TBC will stabilize the video, but it can't remove the MV signal.

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SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

TServo2049 said:

Isn't the TPM VHS copy-protected? You need to find a way to bypass that if you want to test the machine with that tape.

The TBC inside of the Panasonic AG-1980 should chew right through Macrovision protection.

Some DVD recorders like mine will still refuse to record if they detect the Macrovision signal though. The TBC will stabilize the video, but it can't remove the MV signal.

Do you think the capture-card would do the Anti-MVing? I only plan to use the Panasonic AG-1980 in playback mode.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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I'm sorry for leaving this thread in silence over the weekend. Most of MD lost power, so my VCR tech had to delay working on the Panasonic AG-1980. I should hear back from him today.

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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The drivers for my old capture card ignored the macrovision signal, but I've heard that ATi drivers do respect it, and will disable capturing if macrovision is detected.

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Moth3r said:

The drivers for my old capture card ignored the macrovision signal, but I've heard that ATi drivers do respect it, and will disable capturing if macrovision is detected.

That sucks. Thankfully, the PS78 VHS doesn't have MacroVision protection, as it existed before MacroVision came into existence.

Anyway, I only bought the new TPM for will-it-eat-my-VHS testing and learning how to use the Panasonic AG-1980.

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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captainsolo said:

How well does that usb video capture device work?

I haven't tested it yet, but it should get the same capture quality as the PCI-Express x1 version, as it's using the same chipset.

It'll definitely be slower...

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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I forget, did you determine whether the light trails you see following the ships in space and following some of the motion was already present on the tape or was only in the transfer. I wonder if its on the tape whether theres a way to reduce it to a degree through post processing, when the time comes

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frank678 said:

I forget, did you determine whether the light trails you see following the ships in space and following some of the motion was already present on the tape or was only in the transfer. I wonder if its on the tape whether theres a way to reduce it to a degree through post processing, when the time comes

It's not on the VHS. It's the Toshiba DVR620's fault; i.e., false MacroVision detection.

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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My Panasonic AG-1980 is coming home tonight; just in time for July 4th!

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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AntcuFaalb said:

frank678 said:

I forget, did you determine whether the light trails you see following the ships in space and following some of the motion was already present on the tape or was only in the transfer. I wonder if its on the tape whether theres a way to reduce it to a degree through post processing, when the time comes

It's not on the VHS. It's the Toshiba DVR620's fault; i.e., false MacroVision detection.

Macrovision's analogue copy protection does not cause motion trails. Sounds to me like a temporal noise reduction applied somewhere in your chain.

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Moth3r said:

AntcuFaalb said:

frank678 said:

I forget, did you determine whether the light trails you see following the ships in space and following some of the motion was already present on the tape or was only in the transfer. I wonder if its on the tape whether theres a way to reduce it to a degree through post processing, when the time comes

It's not on the VHS. It's the Toshiba DVR620's fault; i.e., false MacroVision detection.

Macrovision's analogue copy protection does not cause motion trails. Sounds to me like a temporal noise reduction applied somewhere in your chain.

I didn't fully read frank678's post prior to replying to it. I now realize that I don't know what he's talking about, but I'm certain I didn't have any temporal NR filters in my chain.

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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Is it possible it's an artifact of the camera used in the transfer? 1970's video cameras were notorious for "trails" on bright light sources like candles.

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This is what Han has to say about the Panasonic AG-1980...

Teaser!

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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SilverWook said:

Is it possible it's an artifact of the camera used in the transfer? 1970's video cameras were notorious for "trails" on bright light sources like candles.

Here are a couple of examples of the ghosting/light trails which is subtle on static shots but more obvious on high contrast moving shots. My sense also is this is a result of the original 1970s capture not the tape to digital conversion, but I know very little about this stuff really, so expert anaylsis would be helpful:

http://i48.tinypic.com/20unx4m.jpg

 

http://i48.tinypic.com/2i2f6x.jpg

 

http://i47.tinypic.com/10hom61.jpg

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AntcuFaalb said:

This is what Han has to say about the Panasonic AG-1980...

Teaser!

Tons more definition, clarity, subtlety of colours. YES! Please don't let the above post re light trails detract from just how awesome this tape is in how close it gets you to the original look and feel of the 1977 Star Wars. I can't wait to see the new improved version. Awesome work AntcuFaalb

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I absolutely love that we're so excited to be preserving a VHS copy someone found in a porn store 34 years ago. I'm also saddened that we HAVE to be doing this to see what the movie looked like when it came out.

But still, name another forum where people are making high quality VHS captures of movies supposedly available on Blu-ray.

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Thanks for the kind words and encouragement, everyone! The image I posted is from my first full-length capture test with PS78 and the Panasonic AG-1980.

I'm going to have to do the captures sans audio because VirtualDub's "Sync audio to video by resampling the audio to a faster or slower rate" resync mode doesn't work well with the ATI Theater HD 750 (it's well-documented) and I don't want to mess with the video by resampling it or adding/dropping frames. Don't worry -- I plan to capture the audio separately and sync it myself.

I've decided to use AviSynth's TooT() filter, so I'll have to do three captures. I'm going to post screenshots of the various settings involved (including a picture of the Panasonic AG-1980's front panel) tonight for everyone to critique. I think they're fine, but I'd like the experts here to chime-in.

Does anyone have any tips for setting the tracking on the Panasonic AG-1980?

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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Moth3r said:

The drivers for my old capture card ignored the macrovision signal, but I've heard that ATi drivers do respect it, and will disable capturing if macrovision is detected.

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A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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The screengrab looks really great.  Can't wait to see the finished version.

I wish that I could just wish my feelings away...but I can't.  Wishful wishing can only lead to wishes wished for in futile wishfulness, which is not what I wish to wish for. 

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I have now finally seen this one, this is a really cool find. You wonder how many different bootlegs there were circulating of these films. Back in the day you were king on the block if you had a copy like this of Star Wars before its first video release and when home video was still an exclusive thing. Looking forward to see what your Panasonic AG-1980 can squeeze out of it, that screenshot of Han is quite a vast improvement. Thanks again for sharing!

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Is there something similar to AviSynth's TooT() for audio?

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3