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NOW RELEASED:The Godfather: 1901-1980 Epic Edit

This edit corrects the multiple scene omissions and placement errors that had plagued all past officially released compilations of The Godfather films.

The film has been transferred from laserdisc and not VHS tape for better quality.

**5 DVD SET**
Video Capture: Pioneer CLD-D504 Laserdisc Player to PC
Software: Adobe Premiere / After Effects / Photoshop / Encore
Video Encoder: CCE SP (2 Pass)
Format: [1.33 : 1] open matte & Pan Scan / NTSC
Audio: PCM Mono/Stereo
Menus: Adobe Encore

This special chronological edit of The Godfather films was made using footage from the following sets:

"THE GODFATHER COLLECTOR'S EDITION" (Laserdisc Boxed Set)
"THE GODFATHER TRILOGY": 1901-1980" (Laserdisc Boxed Set)
"THE GODFATHER DVD COLLECTION" (DVD Boxed Set) (For the Out-takes)

This version is open matte and cropped at the same time.


Here now is a list of bonus footage that was not included in the theatrical versions…

After Paolo gets shot, 2 of Don Ciccio's thugs arrive at young Vito's home looking for him. She says she'll take him herself

There's a scene before Vito gets fired from Abbandando Grosseria: While Vito's delivering groceries, he sees three punks over on 9th Street assaulting Fanucci, and they cut his throat "from ear to ear...to scare him." Genco and Vito chat in the store. Vito says Fanucci's not a big shot. Genco says Fanucci has connections. The next time we see Fanucci, he's fine!

Vito gets fired, and Abbandando offers him groceries to take home (**Extended**)

There's added footage at the beginning of the scene where young Vito and Clemenza are drinking coffee, talking about the carpet

After the new carpet is installed, young Vito, Clemenza and Tessio meet up with a gunsmith, Augustino Coppola, and his young son, Carmine Coppola [sound familiar?]. This is where Clemenza sells his guns. The boy Carmine is the one playing the flute, NOT "young Vito" as the caption in the Soundtrack claims

We then see young Clemenza is hocking stolen dresses door-to-door for $5 a piece. He makes one married woman an offer (two for one), and even fools around with her. Clemenza tells Vito to bring the rest of the dresses to Dadine's Store, who'll turn it over the the wholesaler. While driving is when Fanucci hops aboard.

There's added footage at the end of Fanucci's talk with young Vito in the truck. This leads directly to the following:

There's added footage at the beginning of the scene where young Vito, Clemenza and Tessio are eating spaghetti and Vito's house

There's added footage at the beginning of young Vito's meeting with Signora Colombo

There's added footage before we see Signor Roberto at young Vito's office. We see him enter through the garage area.

After Signor Roberto lowers Signora Colombo's rent, Vito sees Clemenza, who found a kid good with cars, to fix the truck. His name is Hyman Suchowsky, but Clemenza calls him "Johnny Lips." His name is then changed to Hyman Rothstien [sound familiar? Later it's Hyman Roth]

In a trip back to Sicily, young Vito finds and kills two of Don Ciccio's retainers (Strollo and ?) before he goes with Tommasino to kill Don Ciccio.


After The Don tells Tom he's to go to California, Tom tells him that the hospital called and the dying Consiglieri Genco won't last the night

After Connie's wedding reception, The Don, his sons, and Johnny Fontane go to the hospital to pay their respects to Genco

Before Woltz and Tom start talking, Woltz presents his nymphette girl, Janie, with a birthday pony. Her mother is there. (We can see them in GF1, however)

After Tom leaves Woltz, he's walking to the exit and sees Janie, crying at the top of the staircase, being retrieved by her mother.

There's some short extra footage of Luca Brasi going to meet with the Tattaglia's

Michael and Kay pretend to be in New Hampshire to get away, even though they're in New York. The scene is the two of them in a hotel bed, getting a wake-up call at 3 PM. They're supposed to go to the Corleone residence, but Michael doesn't want to go yet. He calls the mansion (Orchard-9-9539) and Kay pretends to be the long distance operator. Michael tells Tom that they're "stuck in New Hampshire." This scene occurs before Fredo gets the car for the Don.

After the Don is shot, Sonny gets a phone call from a detective telling him about it. Sonny then tries to call Tom, but Theresa says he isn't home.

After Sonny gets the call from Sollozzo, he goes to tells Carmella that the Don's been shot. He then calls up Tessio to get 50 of his men over. He tries to call Luca, but he's not there

There's some short extra footage of Michael in the car arriving at the mall

After Michael meets Clemenza "he's gonna pull through, thank God," he asks Theresa about Tom. The two of them go in to see Sonny (who's with Tessio). Tom enters the room.

Before Clemenza leaves the house with Paulie, he and Rocco talk about Clemenza's car. Clemenza gives Rocco the gun he's to use to "make his bones" by killing Paulie.

After they leave Clemenza's driveway, we see them make a stop "to call Sonny." Clemenza eats a meal and buys cannoli while Rocco and Paulie wait in the car.

In Sicily, after Michael tells Tommasino that they're going to Corleone, Michael and his bodyguards see a procession of what appears to be Communists marching through the hills

There's some short extra footage of Michael and bodyguards walking through Corleone, before he says "where have all the men gone?"

When Michael is hiding in Sicily, there's a scene where Michael and his two bodyguards are laying down to rest. Fabrizzio wants Michael to tell him about New York. M:"How do you know I'm from New York?" / F:"We heard. Somebody told us you were real important" / M:"I'm the son of a big shot" / F:"Is America as rich as they say?" / C:"Stop bothering me [Calo] with this rich America stuff!" Fabrizzio asks Michael if he could be his bodyguard in America. This scene comes before their meeting Apollonia.

Before they're on the road as the GIs pass by, Michael visits his father's birthplace (house) and he asks a woman if there are any family/friends of the Andolini's around. She says they've all left and gone overseas.

After Apollonia gets killed in the explosion, there's a short scene of Michael, in shock and in bed, muttering to Tommasino & Apollonia's mother: "Apollonia..?" / T:"Dead" / "Fabrizzio..? Get me Fabrizzio..."

At Connie & Carlo's, after Connie hangs up the phone, she walks into the bathroom where Carlo is showering. She confronts him about the "whore" which he blows off, and tells her to make him dinner. The subsequent footage is slightly tailored to fit the standard scene, and a couple of extra lines are added where they weren't before.

When Michael returns to New York, before he meets up with Kay, he and his father talk in the garden. Michael: "Pop, what about Sonny? What about Sicily? ...You gave them your word about breaking the peace, I didn't. I take all responsibility."

Before Tom asks Michael "why am I out?" there's some short extra footage. There's also some after Michael says "you're out Tom." These two short scenes talk about Al Neri.

Anthony's First Communion ceremony in the church (with new fade in)

At the Communion party, Sonny's daughter, Francesca, comes to see Michael for his blessing to marry Gardner Shaw. He also asks how Santino's football is coming.

Then there's a scene in which Al Neri is talking to Michael (with Tom & Rocco) and they are looking at pictures of Fabrizzio. He was brought over illegally from Sicily by Barzini.


At the beginning of Anthony's party, we see Fredo and Deanna in the parking lot. Deanna is already drunk and Fredo doesn't want Michael to see her that way

There's added footage leading up to Pentangeli drinking from the garden hose we see him doing before he sees Fredo

There's added footage of singing on the grandstand, and in the parking lot. We also see Anthony walking up to the buttomen, and stopping as Kay calls after him

We see Pentangeli sitting and drinking wine with Anthony. He gives Anthony a $100 bill

We see Al Neri visiting Klingman at the casino, and kicking him out

After Michael's meeting with Sen. Geary, we see Fabrizzio ("Fred Vincent"), leaving his pizzeria in Buffalo, NY, and getting firebombed in his car. He stumbles out of the car, before he dies.

ENJOY!

Last edited on January 11, 2010 at 3:50 AM by FanFiltration

 


digitalfreaknyc's avatar
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Question. How was this put together? Did you use the DVD set for the master shots and the laserdisc for transitions? That probably would have been best, especially since this was matted widescreen anyway.
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HELP!!

Now at 5 single layer DVD's, this presentation is HUGE! Sorry but, I'm not going to sit burning DVD-R's of this all day long for P.I.F. trades. This fan edit most definitely needs a torrent style release, and with that some type of a shrink down job.

I would like to shrink it down to something more workable, like something that woulf fit on two double layer disks.
As it stands now, the quality of this edit is great, and I would like to keep it as nice looking as possible.

Is it best for a title that is as long as this Godfather edit to be offered in high quality, as well as a Xvid or quicktime type formats?


Can someone help me out with this project please?

Also, if anyone has any ideas for extras that can be included with this set please let me know via a PM or the FanFiltration@hotmail.com address.

Thanks!


FF


 


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2 dual-layer DVDs of this would be ideal, I think. This is one of my most prized LDs. Not because it's anything great technically, but I got it new in 1993 for just $13 during a close out sale. But having that big massive set condensed to just 2 DVDs would be great.

Neil
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Question. How was this put together? Did you use the DVD set for the master shots and the laserdisc for transitions? That probably would have been best, especially since this was matted widescreen anyway.


The FanFiltration edit of The Godfather films was made by using footage from the following sets:

"THE GODFATHER COLLECTOR'S EDITION" (Laserdisc Boxed Set)
"THE GODFATHER TRILOGY": 1901-1980" (Laserdisc Boxed Set)
"THE GODFATHER 1902 - 1959 The Complete Epic" (VHS Boxed Set)
"THE GODFATHER DVD COLLECTION" (DVD Boxed Set) (For the Out-takes)

This edit is in Pan and Scan, as that is the format of the Laserdisc sets.

DVD bonus footage had to be modified to match the LD footage.


Video Capture: Pioneer CLD-D504 Laserdisc Player to my PC (S-Video - Sony Handycam - Firewire)
Software: Adobe Premiere / After Effects / Photoshop / Encore
Video Encoder: Adobe (various bit rates) (I just don't remember)
Format: [1.33 : 1] Pan & Scan / NTSC
Audio: PCM Stereo
Menus: Adobe Encore & Photoshop

FF

 


ShiftyEyes' avatar
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Sounds like a great job!
digitalfreaknyc's avatar
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Why would you use a PCM track???

That takes up A LOT of MUCH needed space and to add to that, it's a mono audio track. You should give as much space as possible to the video. I don't think 2 dual-layer discs would do it...considering the OFFICIAL release of godfather 2 alone was 2 dual-layer discs.

tweaker's avatar
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Edit: Damn you DFNYC--I spend all this time figuring this out, and you just slap out an answer and beat me by a minute. Heh. Anyways--

You really, really need to drop the PCM audio in favor of AC3, as PCM takes roughly 10 MB of space per minute, and there is absolutely no reason to be using PCM audio for a project like this. I don't know what the runtime of this is, but let's look at the runtimes of the three original films:

Godfather I: 175 minutes
Godfather II: 200 minutes
Godfather III: 170 minutes

Now, assuming this edit runs for roughly the amount of time the three films do, combined, that's 545 minutes. At 10 MB a minute, that's 5450 MB. 545 minutes of AC3 audio at 224 kilobits per second would take up about 915 MB of space, so dropping the PCM in favor of AC3 at 224 would yield a loss of 4535 MB--slightly more than one single layer DVD.

Edit: And having just noted that, according to DFNYC, that this is a mono track, you could cut that 224 figure down to 128 Mono, and that would drop another 450 MB off of the size.

You could drop one DVD from this collection, simply by converting the audio, without even touching the picture. So that takes you down from 5 DVDs to 4 right there. And you could probably afford to do a recompression of the MPEG video--it would take you a year and a day to work with 550 minutes of video, but with noise reduction and some other filters, you could cut this down to 3 DVDs without affecting the video much.

Edit: DFNYC feels that two dual-layer discs wouldn't cut it, let alone 3 single layers, as I allege, but seeing that as it stands now, you're at 5 SL discs, we're obviously not dealing with a bitrate nearly as high as that of the official DVD releases.
FanFiltration's avatar
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LOL!

I knew I was going to get that about the PCM! I just knew it!

All input is welcome, as I want this to turn of to be a very sweet release that is welcomed by all Godfather fans.

PCM SUCKS!

Rright! I know that it's with very good reason that you guys bring this up. You guys are 100% right on the money about how much room that PCM audio takes up on each DVD!

Now why did I do that?

Godfather was my real first LD transfer / edit, and I did it originaly for my own use. At the time, I did not intend to release it to anyone but my close friends. In fact, Dune was my first real "Fan Edit" intended for fan release. By the time I finished the DUNE project, I had got myself an TMPGEnc AC-3 encorder. So, I'll just re-do the soundtracks with no problems.

FF

 


Neil S. Bulk's avatar
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

...it's a mono audio track.

Actually, this set was given a faux stereo track. And of course Godfather III is a stereo film.

Neil
digitalfreaknyc's avatar
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

...it's a mono audio track.

Actually, this set was given a faux stereo track. And of course Godfather III is a stereo film.

Neil


The chronological version was? Are you sure? I thought the first time they were "in stereo" was the remasters set.

He's also using 4 different masters and they would all have to match at this point.

And yes, Godfather 3 is a stereo film and completely the same in all released versions on home video (which is why i'm confused about its inclusion here). I would definitely drop it as it serves no purpose.

Question: did you get a copy of the TV version beginning for 2? The version shown on TV is different from any of the home video releases.

Just some thoughts.
Neil S. Bulk's avatar
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

...it's a mono audio track.

Actually, this set was given a faux stereo track. And of course Godfather III is a stereo film.

Neil


The chronological version was? Are you sure?


Very sure.

Neil
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

And yes, Godfather 3 is a stereo film and completely the same in all released versions on home video (which is why i'm confused about its inclusion here). I would definitely drop it as it serves no purpose.

Question: did you get a copy of the TV version beginning for 2? The version shown on TV is different from any of the home video releases.

Just some thoughts.


I'm still looking for the beginning of the T.V. version of Two. Anyone have it?

The reason I placed Godfather Part 3 on this set, was because I had removed the death of Fredo flashback from that film. If you are watching all 3 films in one go, that same death scene was shown only about 5 min before the first scene of part 3 in St. Patrick's Cathedral. With that, I felt that there was no real need or reason to flashback to Fredo Death so soon after the viewer had just seen it. GF:3 is also presented in the (Out-of-Print) full screen format, and this allows the viewer to see all 3 films in the same aspect ratio.

FF

 


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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

...it's a mono audio track.

Actually, this set was given a faux stereo track. And of course Godfather III is a stereo film.

Neil


The chronological version was? Are you sure?


Very sure.

Neil

Not doubting you...but according to the laserdisc database, the epic version was still mono. Maybe the trilogy version was put into stereo.

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What is the alternate Godfather II TV opening?
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I'd be interested in this but isn't somebody else working on or is already done with an edit on these boards?
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Originally posted by: Harlock415
I'd be interested in this but isn't somebody else working on or is already done with an edit on these boards?


Although I'm new to the world of fan edits, it seems that this community is to demonstrate the love and respect a fan has in showing how a film has moved them. I'd love to see multiple fan edits of the Godfather series. There are enough dimensions in these movies that one fan's edit will be quite different from another fan's edit, as they would both be different from Copolla's vision. These differences are, for me, a great training tool to see how the same story can be told in different ways, just in the way they are edited/re-edited, and the takes or subtitles used.

--JF
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Are you switching from PCM to AC3 then? It would be great to get this down to just two DVD9s!
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Originally posted by: segaflip
Are you switching from PCM to AC3 then? It would be great to get this down to just two DVD9s!


Yes.

 


digitalfreaknyc's avatar
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Originally posted by: Johnny Free
Originally posted by: Harlock415
I'd be interested in this but isn't somebody else working on or is already done with an edit on these boards?


Although I'm new to the world of fan edits, it seems that this community is to demonstrate the love and respect a fan has in showing how a film has moved them. I'd love to see multiple fan edits of the Godfather series. There are enough dimensions in these movies that one fan's edit will be quite different from another fan's edit, as they would both be different from Copolla's vision. These differences are, for me, a great training tool to see how the same story can be told in different ways, just in the way they are edited/re-edited, and the takes or subtitles used.

--JF


This isn't a fan edit.

Isn't this just a combining of all known versions?
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

This isn't a fan edit.

Isn't this just a combining of all known versions?


No, I would consider the FanFiltration version a "Fan Edit".

My Godfather project is not just a direct rip of a now out-of-print laserdisc presentation, but rather it's a reworking of the film using various out-of-print sources (and the DVD set for 2 scenes).

So yes, JohnnyFree is correct in calling my version a fan edit. Mainly due to the fact that I made changes to the placement order of a few scenes, and also included scenes that had never been intended to be part of the saga by the director. I made new edits to include as much footage as possible from all versions. Also, I had to make some changes to the films soundtrack so that it would blend scenes from different sources better. There are also some new title cards placed into the film to show Location and date changes in the godfather font. The most noticeable change I made, was to include the out take scene “A Family Fight (Connie and Carlo arguing at Vito's)”. This scene was very hard to insert, but I believe my new edit works quite well.

FF

 


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When will this be ready?
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Originally posted by: Rotten Johnny
When will this be ready?


I am working with the Godfather now. I'm using TMPGEnc 3.0 XPress to make the AC-3 files right now.

Want this to be done by April 2006.

FF

 


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Sounds great. Can't wait to see it. Iff I can help PIF or seed it let me know
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I am looking forward to this. I have the chronological edit and it was spectacular. Clocks in at almsot 10 hours.. Is this the edit you compiled?

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