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lucasdroid's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

How long have you been working on this project -1?  Will you post schematics of your scanning machine so that others may attempt to do what you are doing?  It would be very helpful for even non Star Wars related material.

none's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

^ here's possibly a first post: [June 28, 2008] http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/post/322215/#TopicPost322215

and he's given the statistics on the still camera and programing hack to control it's automated usage, along with the system controlling the film.  It's all in the thread.

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RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

lucasdroid said:

How long have you been working on this project -1?  Will you post schematics of your scanning machine so that others may attempt to do what you are doing?  It would be very helpful for even non Star Wars related material.

this is where most of that information is

concerning the equipment:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/topic/5853/page/37/

 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/topic/5853/page/38/

 

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TV's Frink's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

jero32 said:


It's actually letting out a somewhat high pitched shriek of awesome.
Actually I think Stinky is right on this one.

lucasdroid's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

I know about what was previously said but I was hoping to get more specifics on what model numbers on the equipment being used.  I understand the basics.  What is the film being projected on?  Ground glass?  I would like to construct something similar maybe with a Nikon D300 shooting RAW files.  Thor's footage with the scanner was stupendous.  The stills look good but moving video might be something completely different.  I doubt a consumer camera has the dynamic range needed to capture all the information from film.   

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RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

lucasdroid said:

I know about what was previously said but I was hoping to get more specifics on what model numbers on the equipment being used.  I understand the basics.  What is the film being projected on?  Ground glass?  I would like to construct something similar maybe with a Nikon D300 shooting RAW files.  Thor's footage with the scanner was stupendous.  The stills look good but moving video might be something completely different.  I doubt a consumer camera has the dynamic range needed to capture all the information from film.   

gotcha,

i'll find out what i can. although some of the equipment

is no longer made, or made from improvised parts.

 

it's basically a modified film strip projector.

the pulley system is based off a vhs motor, and connected

so that it moves at the rate of about 2 frames per second.

we used a manual system before which was much more

tedious. there's a lens between the camera and the

projector. i'll try to find out the light source type also.

 

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negative1's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

here's some more samples of frames

from the last clip.



again, these are just to show some tests,

if you notice, you will see more image

than any GOUT version since we haven't

cropped anything it yet, which is from 3-5%

of the image

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/post/588594/#TopicPost588594





for more information on the various cropping

issues, check:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Cropping-the-Original-Trilogy-35mm-vs-dvd-gout/topic/13945/



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Last edited on August 4, 2012 at 8:55 PM by negative1

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jero32's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

<p>What photoshop/other program options do you typically use to correct the red colour? In gimp the "curves" option (under colors etc) seems to work, but I can't get all the red out sometimes.<br /><br />edit: using tint and saturation seems to work a little but it might've taken out a bit too much color.</p>

Last edited on August 4, 2012 at 9:10 PM by jero32
negative1's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

lucasdroid said:

I know about what was previously said but I was hoping to get more specifics on what model numbers on the equipment being used.  I understand the basics.  What is the film being projected on?  Ground glass?  I would like to construct something similar maybe with a Nikon D300 shooting RAW files.  Thor's footage with the scanner was stupendous.  The stills look good but moving video might be something completely different.  I doubt a consumer camera has the dynamic range needed to capture all the information from film.   

 

from cinch, who made the machine:

 

about the transfer machine:
 
it's a dukane film strip projector. i'm using only the original lenses of the projector and the canon.
 
the only mods i did was to replace the original lamp with a lcd light source, motorize the pulldown mechanism/intermittent movement and to install a trigger contact for the canon.
 
that's pretty much it. not really that complicated.
 
hope this helps for now.
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Last edited on August 5, 2012 at 6:22 PM by negative1

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red5-626's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

Found this video.
Is the machine any thing like this .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFFzF_d1Sd4&feature=related

see 4:26

negative1's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

jero32 said:

 

What photoshop/other program options do you typically use to correct the red colour? In gimp the "curves" option (under colors etc) seems to work, but I can't get all the red out sometimes.

edit: using tint and saturation seems to work a little but it might've taken out a bit too much color.

 

adobe premiere a little bit (for me), along with virtual dub..

but we mostly using the professional AVID suite.

 

here are 2 examples of the early attempts to

correct the red tint:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/post/588725/#TopicPost588725

 

 

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Last edited on August 5, 2012 at 9:48 PM by negative1

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negative1's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

red5-626 said:

Found this video.
Is the machine any thing like this .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFFzF_d1Sd4&feature=related

see 4:26

not really,

there's a dukane filmstrip project on youtube with

a record player. it's more like that.

 

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Nearsighted Scrappile's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
Hey -1, your PM box is full, buddy!  Drop me a line when you clean it up!

Star Wars is the only case in modern film history where the preservation of the original award-winning version has been left up to the fans.  That fact alone proves that Lucas is insane.

DEFIANT MODEL CREATIONS

lucasdroid's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

What are you projecting the image onto?  The only other way to do it would be to take a picture right off of the film? 

 

ww12345's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

<p>If I understand correctly, that's exactly what he's doing.</p>

none's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

lucasdroid wrote: The only other way to do it would be to take a picture right off of the film?

Gotta agree, if you want an 80s appropriate film preservation methodology using the silly putty trick is a novel and inspiring choice.

jero32's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

I Thought he was basicly taking a picture of the projection directly. (so not bounced off a screen)

VideoPhonic's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

<p>-1, are you making use of any of the red version for your final version, or only for reference and color tinkering? curious.</p>

Last edited on August 6, 2012 at 7:14 AM by VideoPhonic
negative1's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

VideoPhonic said:

 

-1, are you making use of any of the red version for your final version, or only for reference and color tinkering? curious.

 

not from the test reel. that's just for playing around with.

 

the other 5 reels we have, might have some frames that have

less grain than the LPP, so we might use some of that.

jero32 said:

I Thought he was basicly taking a picture of the projection directly. (so not bounced off a screen)

yes, the video and pictures of the setup show that we have the camera

directly mounted to take pictures directly through the lens off the lcd

illuminated film.

 

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negative1's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

here's a clarification of the

machine and setup:

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red5-626's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

WOW I feel a bit like Lumpy

watching the Boba Fett cartoon.

I just hope the storm troopers don’t come in the room.

negative1's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

dug up some scans of

the 1976 trailer, that i had before.

but haven't posted them...

 

these are untouched

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/588873/#TopicPost588873

 

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lucasdroid's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

Impressive...most impressive. 

negative1's avatar
RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

more examples of the 35mm trailer,

some are kind of blurry:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/588937/#TopicPost588937

 

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RE: Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal

here's a clarification of the

machine and setup:

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I don't follow this thread often, but I do have a question. Are you snapping each picture by hand or is it automated somehow?

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