the 2nd part of the trash compactor scene

is up. along with shots.

this shows how cropping parts of it helps

the image, as there is a large red glow

on the bottom part of it.

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Chicken Boo said:

With regards to the red-tinted print, there was an article not too long ago (I can't seem to find it now) about the print they had at the National Film Registry. Their's was pink as well, but they used some sort of color correcting magic and made it all work.

 This team is already equipped with said magic ;) Though IIRC, the pink film that's spliced into their main print isn't as pink as this other reel they're testing on.

ww12345 said:

Brooks said:

negative1 said:

 

i'm not saying anything bad or extreme will happen. but better to play

it safe than sorry.

 

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please please please capture jedi too if you have any concern the prints will be confiscated or otherwise made unavialable.  To have SW and Empire but not Jedi would be heartbreaking (to me, anyways)

 

+1. I would hate for anything to happen before Jedi was finished. :(

even though it's years away. my contacts say that they have a source

that should be ready by the time they are ready to work on it. it should

be a pretty quick turnaround, since all those prints are LPP. maybe by

then 2k/4k will be more popular then.

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Red5 said:

correct, this is what cinch has to say about it:

"no, it doesn't alter color space at all. the change on the dolby trailer was just due to different color temperatures set on the capturing cam, that's all. filmguard doesn't even cause changes in opacity, so it is optically clear."

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Good to hear, I suspected different settings had caused the colourshift after I also watched the oceans 11 sample which didn't show any noticeable shift at all, although here the cleaning effect wasn't as pronounced either compared to the DD sample.

Do you plan to recapture whole SW and possibly ESB with FG treatment then? if these promising test results seems consistent of course.

 

star wars lpp - doesn't need it, and only the headers/tails might have

                         some slight effect on it.

star wars red reels - will be used on reels 2,4,5,6 - helped a lot,

                                 reel 1 has too much damage to really be useful.

                                 this is just backup, in case we need certain frames

                                 or scenes

empire strikes back - not sure if its needed, but might try to it on reel 3,

                                  and selected scenes. the thing is we've already

                                 digitally cleaned up a lot, so we might not need to

                                 attempt to try this at all

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the third part of the cropping in the

trash compactor scene..

remember, the 'ghost' image is the 35mm

which didn't line up with the GOUT. for the

most part they overlap very closely, but at

times due to the cropping the scene looks

slightly different.

pictures and a clip here:

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lurker77 said:

If I may give my 2 cents on the digital vs. film debate...

People keep saying that "digital has better resolution than film prints that are many generations removed from the negative".

First, the majority of digital projections are in 2K, which is barely above 1080p, and not higher than a film print in any sense. Second, film has infinite resolution. People may count grains, but the grains themselves are not uniform. Information on film goes down to the atomic level. Although, most films these days go through a digital intermediate for colour correction, so the resolution will be stuck at that level no matter what.

Also, "digital is more stable and has better contrast/no scratches". To me at least, watching a perfectly stable film is distracting. It's like a moving painting. As to the image quality beyond just the resolution, although no scratches are nice, contrast & colour are locked to a certain range, which no matter what that range is, can be as distracting as the lack of movement. Film has very slight variations in every aspect of the image, aka "warmth", which is more natural to look at and therefore less fatiguing to the eye. I find that listening to lots of digital music, especially compressed, is fatiguing to my ears. Vinyl & cassette doesn't do that.

What this guy said.

none said:

I <3 VHS....

i just got my first VHS deck a few years ago.

but it was for playback only. i've never recorded

anything on it. 

i'm pretty sure it would be cool to transfer this

(or these) versions to a vhs tape. in fact, that's

one of the things i'm going to do first! seriously.

great idea!

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He's going to peddle it on street corners, in beat up cases labeled "Starkiller".

Asaki said:

He's going to peddle it on street corners, in beat up cases labeled "Starkiller".

that's GOUT-killer to you fella!

haha

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red5-626 said:

timdiggerm said:

lurker77 said:

Second, film has infinite resolution.

Oh really?

Information on film goes down to the atomic level.

Oh, so not really. Cool.

 I thought that a 4k scan was just over what a 35mm film frame had on it?

Maybe you need 5or 6 k for 70mm?

depends..

you can do 4k/8k scans of 35mm too.. it's not dependant on

the film.. just depends on how good the source is to take

advantage of it..

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First let me say that I LOVE film for all the organic, "living" qualities already mentioned.

But for those who argue that 35mm film has more resolution than even 1080p material, I submit this article: http://www.cst.fr/IMG/pdf/35mm_resolution_english.pdf

In short, while film has the potential for higher resolution, the reality is that digital projection looks just as sharp or sharper. The real lesson to be taken from this is that resolution is not nearly as important as people make it out to be (I was reading another article about that specific topic but can't seem to find it right now). If you really want the highest quality moving image, you also need things like contrast, frame rate, and good color reproduction; all of which are just as important and work together to make a quality image.

The real problem wih digital (IMO), that others are kind of hinting at, is that it feels too sterile. It lacks the little inconsistencies, the gateweave, the scratches, the pops, etc that make it feel organic and alive and, i agree, less fatiguing to watch.

I should also mention that, when scanning film the quality of the source material is incredibly important. Working with a high quality OCN or IP can certainly provide enough information to make 4k scans or better worthwhile. It's just important to understand you're not seeing anything NEAR that at even the best theater. Which then opens the debate of should the goal of home video be to reproduce what you would've seen opening night? Or provide the best possible viewing experience, even if it's technically significantly BETTER than even an absolutely perfect theatrical presentation?

What thread am I in again?

here's just a preliminary test

of han shooting greedo.. there's

some color correction done to it.

it was completely red tinted to

start with.

we won't be using it.. but i just

wanted to see what some of the

avisynth results looked like.. part

of it is very nice.

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added some screenshot comparisons:

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negative1 said:

Asaki said:

He's going to peddle it on street corners, in beat up cases labeled "Starkiller".

that's GOUT-killer to you fella!

haha

 

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 I was going to make that joke, but didn't think the non-blog readers would appreciate inside jokes ;)

Though I suppose the joke's pretty easy to "get" as it is.