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Ointment FlyWelcome to the continuing series of threads, Lucas v. Spielberg. We will be debating all facets of their lives, in order to determine once in for all who is the better man. This is Round 3.
Previous results:
Round 1 - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Lucas-v-Spielberg-Round-1-Who-Is-The-Better-Actor/topic/11181/ - Winner - SPIELBERG
Roung 2 - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Lucas-v-Spielberg-Round-2-Who-Has-The-Better-Facial-Hair/topic/11200/ - Winner - LUCAS
Current Score: LUCAS 1, SPIELBERG 1
Now, on to Round 3: Who makes better use of CGI?


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See You, Space Cowboy...Spielberg. From what I understand, he likes to use it sparingly - and when he does it's usually to good effect. Jurassic Park still looks great in motion.
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Chief Architect of Cynical MoralitySpielberg, as I believe he still uses sets in his movies.
Although I do think the comparison is a bit unfair. I mean, Spielberg has made a lot of movies that don't have visual effects at all or a minimal amount, while all we can compare them to on Lucas' side are the SEs and Prequels.
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Ointment Flydoubleofive said:
Although I do think the comparison is a bit unfair. I mean, Spielberg has made a lot of movies that don't have visual effects at all or a minimal amount, while all we can compare them to on Lucas' side are the SEs and Prequels.
Argument rejected!
Look, fair or unfair does not have anything to do with it. This is a competition between two men. All that matters is which one is better, whatever the reason. For example, is it fair that Spielberg was born with a natural ability to act? Is it fair that Lucas was blessed with a better beard (barely)? And yet, these are indisputable truths.
Further, you can argue that Spielberg's decision NOT to use CGI, or make movies that barely require it, means that he is making better use of the technology. Maybe if Lucas wasn't so Lazy between 1983 and 1999 he could have made some movies that didn't need so much CGI.
In summation, Spielberg takes the lead. Who else has an opinion?
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Host extraordinare of "THE VFP Show"!I suppose the question is whether you prefer selective, judicious use of CGI or liberal use of it. I always prefer "less is more". Point, Spielberg.
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Happy to be alive!Well lets look at movies that use little to no CGI
Speilberg - Schindlers list - a Must see movie if ever there was one
Lucas - Howard the Duck - Nuf Said!
Case closed LOL
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Ointment FlyThank you BarBar - one vote for Lucas is recorded.
Lazy Lucas, was Lazy.
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i think it isclear where my vote goes too
stupid Lucas didnt he forgot how too make a good movie now
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Happy to be alive!Shouldn't that be for Spielberg seeing as though he can make movies that don't rely so heavily on them
lucas has an in your face CGI mentality (leapfrog Yoda anyone?)
Spielberg uses it subtly to enhance a scene (ET special edition is a good example of this Most of the enhancements at least were not in your face CGI (technically it was just E.T's face LOL)
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Ointment FlyBarBar Jinkx said:
Shouldn't that be for Spielberg seeing as though he can make movies that don't rely so heavily on them
I was just making a joke when I said you voted for Lucas, since you didn't actually name anyone :-)
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Troublemaker Without ScruplesBarBar Jinkx said:
Well lets look at movies that use little to no CGI
Speilberg - Schindlers list - a Must see movie if ever there was one
Lucas - Howard the Duck - Nuf Said!
Case closed LOL
Even though I'm siding with Spielberg, that's still a bit of an unfair comparison, as you could easily go the other way with it:
"Spielberg - 1941
Lucas- American Graffitti
Cased closed LOL"
Just sayin'. :P

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of Earth.I went to one of Lucas's websites and the Common Gateway Interface code (CGI hereafter) was very well implemented. I was able to search and sort and never did the code residing in cgibin give me any trouble.
I have yet to come across a Spielberg website containing any code inside of a cgibin subdirectory.
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Ointment FlyInteresting...the gap is significantly narrowed.
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Jedi KnightThis thread is retarded its like who makes better use of cgi Lucas or Lucas, because ILM is a Lucas company who did the effects on Spielberg's films.
Who makes better use of cgi ILM or ILM.
A better question would be Weta versus ILM. My vote would go to Weta.
As to the question this thread goes Lucas gets a goose egg and so does Spielberg. Both used bad cgi.
Lucas on the prequels and Indiana Jones IV.
Spielberg on Indiana Jones IV and War of the Worlds.
The cgi was less bad and in your face in Minority Report and Jurassic Park still i guess thats like half a point for Spielberg.
Neither should be allowed to direct ever again. Spielberg had two duds with war of the worlds and Indy 4 money and time i will never get back, and Lucas the prequels and helped Spielberg ruin indiana jones or was that the other way around?
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Ointment Flyskyjedi2005 said:
This thread is retarded
Well, no thread can help how it's born, so no need to be rude.
Regardless, since I skipped your RWOT, I'm going to assume you voted for Lucas. The vote is currently tied.
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Jedi KnightI was pretty much stating how modern Lucas and Modern Spielberg are virtually the same, except Lucas is a bit more over the top. Whereas In the past they would have used sets and traditional effects almost the same as well. Spielberg moves the camera differently and directs his actors differently but their kind of like two halves of the same coin. That is why Raiders was such a smash hit. The 2 biggest names in cinema at the time.
Now you could not pay me to see one of their movies. Although to Spielberg's credit he has had more good films than bad ones because he has made more films. Lucas made so few that 3 of the bad ones are episodes 1-3 which without he would look better. He still would be regarded as the man who directed 2 great films and one experimental and original.
In the Modern Era Spielberg has:
Good films:
Jurassic Park
Shindlers List
Saving Private Ryan
Minority Report
A.I.
Bad films:
Jurassic Park 2
Munich
Catch me if you can
The terminal
Amistad
Hook
Crystal Skull
War of the Worlds
Lucas Good films:
THX 1138
American Graffiti
Star Wars
Bad films:
Episodes 1-3 of the star wars prequels. Therefore 50% of his output as a director is shit.
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Ointment FlySo...Lucas again? Ok, and with that, Lucas pulls slightly ahead.
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Lucas Good films:
THX 1138
American Graffiti
Star Wars
Bad films:
Episodes 1-3 of the star wars prequels. Therefore 50% of his output as a director is shit.
You missed a few Lucas movies, BTW. A couple of sequels, I think. Also, maybe Episodes 1-3 of the star wars prequels were bad, but what about the other Episodes of the prequels?
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Jedi KnightDespite his altering of other directors movies he did not Direct Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi.
He did direct the special editions though,lol.
Since Kersh said do whatever you want and Marquand can't complain from the grave. I'm Sure he would have been thrilled to have Shaw replaced with an actor who was only 2 years old during the films release.
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Ointment Flyskyjedi2005 said:
Despite his altering of other directors movies he did not Direct Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi.
Fair enough. I assumed you were talking about movies he "made," rather than "directed."
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skyjedi2005 said:
A better question would be Weta versus ILM. My vote would go to Weta.
Read ALL THE WORDS in the thread title - "Who Makes Better USE of CGI?", not "Who Makes Better CGI?"
You're arguing technical issues - who's better at performing the task. The real question is an issue of creative decisions - WHY they were using CG when a model or set might have sufficed.
I'll go with Spielberg. He uses CG when he NEEDS to, not because he WANTS to.
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of Earth.Ziz said:
skyjedi2005 said:
A better question would be Weta versus ILM. My vote would go to Weta.
Read ALL THE WORDS in the thread title - "Who Makes Better USE of CGI?", not "Who Makes Better CGI?"
Hmm... I prefer to answer the other question:
Who has made the best CG? You could use several different measuring sticks to judge this question, however I think I will go with Size and Viciousness.
Is the T-Rex or the Jurassic Park 3 dinosaur the largest/viciousnessest beast in Spielberg's arsenal? If so, then I suggest it fights the giant sea monster from Phantom Menace.
CRUNCH!
Lucas wins.
What's the tally now, Frink?
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Ointment FlyWell leaving aside your answering the wrong question...
Ziz tied things up again.
True, if you count numerically, Spielberg is in the lead. But I prefer to count by quality of answer, and let me just say that sky gave Lucas a significant boost.
xhonzi
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of Earth.Well then... I vote for Lucas.
What's the score now?
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Ointment FlyWell, leaving aside the fact that you already voted for lucas (x2)...
TV's Frink said:
I prefer to count by quality of answer...
xhonzi said:
Well then... I vote for Lucas.
That quality of answer equals zero votes. So we're still tied.
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of Earth.Dang it.
I, with respect to quality, vote for Palpatine. er... I mean Lucas.
How about now?
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