generalfrevious said:

Fixed.

It's more a matter of irritation toward drama-queens than of persecution of pessimists.

http://www.break.com/break-originals/other-funny-stuff/honest-trailers-phantom-menace-3d-2299926

generalfrevious said:

Well, Lucas is still alive and making money, and Katie is being groomed to take over her father's position. We are still no closer to getting the OOT in an official and presentable release than we were 10 years ago, so getting over it is not really an option right now.

1) OOT

2) Official

3) Presentable

Pick any 2.  I will be perfectly satisfied with 1 & 3.  I'm honestly not sure what option 2 gets you, so perhaps you may someday determine it's not that important to you either.

generalfrevious said:

 

Akwat Kbrana said:

It's more a matter of irritation toward drama-queens than ofpersecution of pessimists.

Drama-king would be more accurate.

 

Denotatively, perhaps. Connotatively, drama-queen is a far more accurate descriptor.

CatBus said:

generalfrevious said:

Well, Lucas is still alive and making money, and Katie is being groomed to take over her father's position. We are still no closer to getting the OOT in an official and presentable release than we were 10 years ago, so getting over it is not really an option right now.

1) OOT

2) Official

3) Presentable

 

Pick any 2.  I will be perfectly satisfied with 1 & 3.  I'm honestly not sure what option 2 gets you, so perhaps you may someday determine it's not that important to you either.

Why should we pick only two? Every single film except the SW films allows you to have all three options. But no, GL is such a psychotic monster that he forces you to choose between official and presentable. That is fucking unjust and no person should have to subject themselves to GL's pretzel logic.

generalfrevious said:

Why should we pick only two? Every single film except the SW films allows you to have all three options. But no, GL is such a psychotic monster that he forces you to choose between official and presentable. That is fucking unjust and no person should have to subject themselves to GL's pretzel logic.

Okay, let's try out this prioritization test.  Which of these statements to you feel the most/least sympathy for, or are you equal on all three?

1) Boycott the official BD's, because they aren't the OOT.

2) Boycott the GOUT discs, because they aren't presentable.

3) Boycott fan preservations, because they aren't official.

My guess is, perfectly justifiable indignation aside, you're already well on the road to resolving this issue to your own personal satisfaction.

CatBus said:

generalfrevious said:

Why should we pick only two? Every single film except the SW films allows you to have all three options. But no, GL is such a psychotic monster that he forces you to choose between official and presentable. That is fucking unjust and no person should have to subject themselves to GL's pretzel logic.

Okay, let's try out this prioritization test.  Which of these statements to you feel the most/least sympathy for, or are you equal on all three?

1) Boycott the official BD's, because they aren't the OOT.

2) Boycott the GOUT discs, because they aren't presentable.

3) Boycott fan preservations, because they aren't official.

My guess is, perfectly justifiable indignation aside, you're already well on the road to resolving this issue to your own personal satisfaction.

I would boycott the BDs, because the OOT is not on there (which should be a no brainer). If there was a good fan preservation on Blu, I would probably get it; but has anyone made one. The GOUT is not presentable, yes, but they will have to do. But that's not the point.

The problem is Lucas. That is why I am so angry and melodramatic here, because he is an untalented hack who took credit from others, and is arrogant to the point that we have to resort to fan preservations to see the originals. I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895. The SW trilogy are the only films we don't have legally, because of one man's psychosis.

generalfrevious said: I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895.

Master Qui-Gon opines :

I wish that were so.

generalfrevious said:

I would boycott the BDs, because the OOT is not on there (which should be a no brainer). If there was a good fan preservation on Blu, I would probably get it; but has anyone made one. The GOUT is not presentable, yes, but they will have to do. But that's not the point.

The problem is Lucas. That is why I am so angry and melodramatic here, because he is an untalented hack who took credit from others, and is arrogant to the point that we have to resort to fan preservations to see the originals. I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895. The SW trilogy are the only films we don't have legally, because of one man's psychosis.

The point I guess I'm trying to make is that you can separate the moral issues of Lucas-is-bad from the practical issues of can't-get-OOT-must-despair.  Frankly you can already get the OOT in better quality than the GOUT--that's a given, right now.  IMO opinion you can already get unquestionably-better-than-GOUT Empire in HD (AVCHD, not Blu Ray unless you remux it), and pretty soon you'll have the option for unquestionably-better-than-GOUT-and-pretty-much-Blu-Ray-equivalent Star Wars.  Blu Ray equivalency in the OOT from non-official sources is inevitable as far as I'm concerned.

Which doesn't mean Lucas suddenly isn't a bad guy anymore.  It just means he gets demoted from a "destroyer of cultural works", to a mere "yet another jackoff who attempted to destroy cultural works, but failed".  Which makes him a forgettable footnote in history, which I think, long term, is just perfect.

generalfrevious said:

I should be able to get the OOT at my local BestBuy or Amazon right now, like every single film ever made since 1895.

Er, something like 85% of feature silent films have been lost.  You might want to change your 1895 to something like 1940.

CatBus said:

generalfrevious said:

Well, Lucas is still alive and making money, and Katie is being groomed to take over her father's position. We are still no closer to getting the OOT in an official and presentable release than we were 10 years ago, so getting over it is not really an option right now.

1) OOT

2) Official

3) Presentable

 

Pick any 2.  I will be perfectly satisfied with 1 & 3.  I'm honestly not sure what option 2 gets you, so perhaps you may someday determine it's not that important to you either.

Uh huh, and THX-1138? Fan preservations are for a smal clique of people and aren't going to be remembered down the road. There's a larger issue we have no way of controlling. Unlike the general, it doesn't make me wail with Shakespearean despair, but it does make me realize that we're never, ever getting the OOT properly restored and that in the major public consciousness, Lucas has won the battle and succeeded in what he wants. 

We just have to keep the pressure going. If doomsday comes without an official OUT release, if we "lose"... well, you can't lose what you never had to begin with. But if we win, we win BIG. So why abandon the cause, especially after the BRD's caused all that scandal and controversy?

I see no reason to give up hope.

Incidentally...

CatBus said:

1) OOT

2) Official

3) Presentable

Pick any 2.  I will be perfectly satisfied with 1 & 3.  I'm honestly not sure what option 2 gets you, so perhaps you may someday determine it's not that important to you either.

This is a brilliant distillation of the conflict we face.