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Laserdisc has still something to show up...
Laserdisc has still something to show up...
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Laserdisc Master...despite the fact that it's an analog, low definition, obsolete format... I love that old big shihy disc! (^^,)
As I wrote in this thread, I managed to write a script which mix and upscale two versions of the same material, PAL and NTSC. I called "PaNup - PAL and NTSC upscale", plain and simple (and easy to remember, I hope).
Because I'm lazy, I searched "in the maze" of my old hard disk, and found two captures, PAL and NTSC, of the same scene. They were made more than two years ago, and I was at the beginning of my capture skills, and they were only test captures, so quality lacks, and there are missing/repeated frames all over... but I found some frames that (almost) matches, so I said myseld "let's give them a try!"...
I took those two captures, PaNup'ed them, denoised, ColourMatch'ed to Harmy's DE, and here you are the result:
(if you want to download the small clip, to analyze better each frame, this is the link)
Not high definition, but stand up at par (IMHO) to the DE. What do you think?
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Laserdisc Master...forgot to wrote, one is the *enhanced* laserdisc capture, the other is Harmy's DE...
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I have been doing this sort of thing using a registration program, I would love to see your script.
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Laserdisc MasterRegistration program? What is it?
And, did you guess which one is the DE? (^^,)
By the way, many compliments for your job, I can't wait to see a 10K scan of a 35mm (or, better, a 70mm) done with your scanner... if it's Star Wars, here we will be all happy, but I could "live" with another movie, too...
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Laserdisc MasterI did another test using an old NTSC SE capture I made more than two years ago - rough, no optimal capture settings, no high quality cables, mid-low laserdisc player for NTSC standard... -> (click for bigger version):
(you can download a few frames clip here - just 1.33MB)
Top spanish HDTV ("TodoTV") - ColourMatch'ed to be close to the LD (if you see strange colored artifacts, it's the script fault...), bottom LD capture, denoised, upscaled and regrained a bit.
I can't think what could be achieved with proper capture settings, high quality cables, and the Pioneer HLD-X9...
Now, I don't want to tell that a denoised and upscaled LD video is on par with HDTV, but if no other HD version exists, at least we could obtain a decent version using laserdisc as source (some examples that came into my mind: Ransom Extended Cut, The Arrival with alternate ending...)
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Chewtobacca
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Andrea, this looks interesting, but why do you put h.264 in an AVI?
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Laserdisc MasterI just compressed it using virtualdub...
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Chewtobacca
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The clips flash past really quickly when played in VLC (or whatever) because they are so short. It's not easy to decode them, but I managed with ffmpegsource2. They look good though. I guess DE is on the bottom.
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Laserdisc MasterChewtobacca said:
I guess DE is on the bottom.
Ehr... actually not... (^^/)
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Chewtobacca
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That's interesting. To be honest, neither of them looked like DE, but I guess that's down to the choice of shot. :-)
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Laserdisc MasterOK, here you are my latest test - download (6.5MB)
I captured two brief scenes, from the PAL UK and NTSC US 1997 SE; denoised, upscaled, and overlaid.
Comments are welcome!
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Padawan LearnerI like the bottom pic .... it looks nice. I would love to see and NTSC LD rip of the set that looks clean like that pic does. The DTS audio would be a great marriage with them.
:)
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Laserdisc MasterI've done these tests only because...
IT!. . . COULD! . . . WORK!!"
Actually, it is possible to use both NTSC and PAL trilogies to build up a better version... I thought to do it some months ago, but as it seems the interest is near zero, I don't know if I'll do it... a lot of work, captures, alignment...
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The top frame on the first clip seems to have extra motion blur/frame blending.
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Laserdisc MasterFirst of all, I apologize, as I have uncorrectly resized the picture at wrong aspect ratio... as the 1997 SE AR is about 2.25:1, and I resized them at 2.35:1... it's THE FORCE... of habit!
I used tfm/tdecimate to IVTC it, using default settings, so maybe it is why the quality lacking a bit... but hey, was just a test, after all! (°°u)
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Laserdisc MasterI took the old PAL capture, the new PAL capture, mix them and... surprise! History repeats itself... it's the same technique I used with my OUT and SET projects... at least I have reached some advantages:
- I was sure this technique (overlay multiple copies of the same material) work, and I have a confimation
- during this time my knowledge and skills advanced, and it could be seen in the mix Vs ruLes
- for ruLes, something went wrong with the captures I did at the time - player, settings, cables, who knows? - or I simply applied a wrong color correction setting - albeit I'm sure this scene received no color correction at all...
And I discovered that if, for mistake, you feed a non-mod4 video file to virtualdub, something terrible could happen...
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Chewtobacca
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:I thought to do it some months ago, but as it seems the interest is near zero, I don't know if I'll do it... a lot of work, captures, alignment...
If it's too much work, don't bother, but there would certainly be interest from me. Because of the techniques that you've been developing recently, I want to see what you produce this time round.
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Laserdisc MasterProbably I'll use it into one of my next project... keep an eye on the "other preservation..." forum!
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Laserdisc has still something to show up...