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RedFive's avatar
RE: It works on so many levels!

Yeah, sorry, edited my first post.  Go watch it now!


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RE: It works on so many levels!

It's in my queue along with 436 other things.

TheBoost's avatar
RE: It works on so many levels!

Rewatched "The Fountain."

 

 

 

SPOILERS

 

 

 

I love that the totally insane fantasy sequences COULD be real, COULD be part of the wife's book, or COULD be images symbolically (or hallucinagenically?) representing the husbands coping with grief... and the movie is AWESOME any way you look at it.

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RE: It works on so many levels!

Breaking Bad could be taken a straight up drama about characters working in the drugs industry or as a wider allegory of the insidious ubiquity of evil or as a universal metaphor for the general interconnectedness of all things.

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RE: It works on so many levels!

Total Recall is like this too.

It could all be real.

Or, once Quaid sits in the chair and goes to sleep, the rest of the movie is in his mind and the fade to white with the twilight zone music at the end is him waking up.

Once I caught on to that after seeing the film as an adult it's hard to watch it straight. It just seems obvious, especially since everything the guy said would happen does--part of the adventure is believing that it's all real in the moment and not just a fantasy.

Last edited on February 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM by zombie84

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RE: It works on so many levels!

zombie84 said:

Total Recall is like this too.

<snip>

It just seems obvious, especially since everything the guy said would happen does--part of the adventure is believing that it's all real in the moment and not just a fantasy.

OR!  It could be his subconscious leaking through the blocks they put on his brain.  Why does he want to go to mars?  Because he used to live there.  Why does he want to be a secret agent?  Because he used to be one.  Why does he want to leave his wife?  Because she's Sharon Stone.  Why does he want the exact woman he describes from his dreams?  Because they used to hang.

You feelin' me, Zombie?

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RE: It works on so many levels!

That works, but only if the entire movie is a dream, and then you have no actual reality with which to base that on.

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RE: It works on so many levels!

Or it could be a really good film treatment that was mangled into a Arnold vehicle.

Or it could be a really good film staring Dustin Hoffman directed by David Cronenberg and the Arnold thing is just too much cheese. 

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RE: It works on so many levels!

The prequels can be used as drink coasters and to prop up a wonky table

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RE: It works on so many levels!

The ambiguity in Shutter Island that I like best is Andrew's last line: "Is it better to live as a monster or die a good man?" It can be interpreted that he knows who he really is and would rather forget (via lobotomy), or he still believes he's Teddy Daniels, and he's really asking the question to Chuck, who he thinks is an evil conspirator.

 

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RE: It works on so many levels!

TheBoost said:

One of the things I love about the movie "Labyrinth" is that it works perfectly on two levels.

  1. It's a child adventure film with magic and goblins.
  2. It's a coming of age story about a girl using her imagination to deal with the loss of her mother, and her own fears of growing up.

 

Either way is equally valid based on the content of the film, and IMHO equally enjoyable.

What other films work perfectly on two (or more) totally different levels of interpretation?

 It happens for so many films and fictional works... not always "perfectly" let's admit.

But I think it depends a lot on your own imagination, your culture and your sensibility. Some film from nowadays are incredibly metaphoric to me, though they don't meant to be, or not openly.

... Actually I think Star Wars (OT) has gone beyond anything his main director meant to put in his story. He doesn't seem to catch it after all these years. It's possible a majority of fans don't get it neither and they just like it, without an explanation.

 

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zombie84 said:

That works, but only if the entire movie is a dream, and then you have no actual reality with which to base that on.

Not so!  In this interpretation, none of the movie is a dream/fake.  Everything happens exactly as is presented at face value.  All of the coindicences (Quaid got exactly what he wished for) are explained that it wasn't his imagination, it was his suppressed memories.

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RE: It works on so many levels!

We were chatting at work about how Shelley's story of Frankenstein was an allegory of Britain's industrial revolution.

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XyZ's avatar
RE: It works on so many levels!

Damn Brits !

 

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Prometheus makes man and gives him fire and science, Zeus is offended and eternally torments Prometheus, Zeus causes man to suffer all the evils released from Pandora's urn.

Through Science, Man makes Creature, Man rejects Creature out of horror of offending God, Creature torments Man, Creature suffers and is consumed by fire. 

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RE: It works on so many levels!

... "And is rebooooorn agaaain, and agaaaaain" tatatatatataaaaaaaaa, tatatatatatatintatin....*

I love these Brits !

 

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XyZ said:

... "And is rebooooorn agaaain, and agaaaaain" tatatatatataaaaaaaaa, tatatatatatatintatin....*

I love these Brits !

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RE: It works on so many levels!

Bingowings said:

Prometheus makes man and gives him fire and science, Zeus is offended and eternally torments Prometheus, Zeus causes man to suffer all the evils released from Pandora's urn.

Through Science, Man makes Creature, Man rejects Creature out of horror of offending God, Creature torments Man, Creature suffers and is consumed by fire. 

 Then dinosaurs eat man... and woman inherits the Earth.

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RE: It works on so many levels!

TheBoost said:


Bingowings said:
Prometheus makes man and gives him fire and science, Zeus is offended and eternally torments Prometheus, Zeus causes man to suffer all the evils released from Pandora's urn.

Through Science, Man makes Creature, Man rejects Creature out of horror of offending God, Creature torments Man, Creature suffers and is consumed by fire.
Then dinosaurs eat man... and woman inherits the Earth.
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RE: It works on so many levels!

There was me thinking the Greek would inherit the Earth.

Perhaps it will be Nana Mouskouri.

I'm glad she's getting something, she has a hell of time.

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RE: It works on so many levels!

RedFive said:

CP3S said:

I loved that movie while watching it, thought it was shaping up to be a great little mystery thriller, especially when he met the woman in the cave. It was getting really exciting with all the conspiracy stuff. Then all the twists kicked in... and I was pretty disappointed. Feels like everything goes for the "WHAT A TWIST!!!" shock reaction these days. Comes off as a lame gimmick to me. Tired of it. Very disappointed by Shutter Island in the end, felt it could have been so much more.

I thought the same thing upon seeing it the first time, but the movie really stands up to multiple viewings.  Once you know what is actually going on you can pay more attention to the subtleties of the characters and the mystery, and to Scorsese's great directing. 

I've seen Shutter Island twice more since I wrote the above post. I have to agree with RedFive (I miss him) about it standing up well to multiple viewings. I still think I might have really liked to see the film I initially thought it was halfway through my first viewing prior to the big twist, but I really have come to enjoy and appreciate it as it is.

 

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