Fang Zei
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I am ready for the trials!The Blade Runner release alone should be shaming Lucas into preparing a monster-sized blu-ray set for each of the movies, but it probably isn't.
We're definitely not seeing another release for a while.
Those recent PT and OT boxes will likely be the last release until the blu-ray.
LFL has several seasons of The Clone Wars blu-rays to sell until then, not to mention the original Indy films which current rumors place at next year.
I really can't think of a better time to release the blu-rays of the six SW films than right before the live-action show goes on the air and I just can't shake the feeling that LFL will - AT THE VERY LEAST - throw in the fully remastered original version on the second disc of each OT film.
It's just been built up way too much for them to not do it.
Enough of this "you people will never be happy" talk that the gushers are so fond of.
If Lucas doesn't at least give us - the OOT fans - the opportunity to hand over our hard-earned cash for what we've been clamoring for this whole time then forget about the middle finger he gave us with the GOUT because this my friends would be the real insult.
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Saint (and Fink is a drut wolley diputs)Fang Zei said:The Blade Runner release alone should be shaming Lucas into preparing a monster-sized blu-ray set for each of the movies, but it probably isn't.
"Shame" and "Lucas" two words that are so alien from one another, they should probably never be used in the same sentence.
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Hand Of JudgmentC3PX said:Fang Zei said:The Blade Runner release alone should be shaming Lucas into preparing a monster-sized blu-ray set for each of the movies, but it probably isn't.
"Shame" and "Lucas" two words that are so alien from one another, they should probably never be used in the same sentence.
I was thinking the very same thing. Lucas doesn't get shamed into action. If anything, over the years he's shown he's just the opposite. The more fan & peer pressure he receives - the more he digs his heels in.
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I am ready for the trials!True enough - and really I was being a bit hyperbolic - although I do think the absolute perfect treatment (at least so far as each OT film is concerned) is to have the final version on disc 1, the '97 version on disc 2 and the original version on disc 3 with branched '77/'81 opening crawls for ANH.
But on the fan/peer pressure note:
Ever since those fateful days in May of 2006 when Bill Hunt posted that incredibly long rant about how stupid it is that Lucas was actually claiming we'd never see the OOT in any better quality than the GOUT and Robert A. Harris basically offered to restore the damn things for free, I just haven't been able to shake the feeling that Lucas will get the message by the time he's prepping the blu-ray.
After all this grief we really shouldn't have to be putting together another petition of any kind, but we do. I think the closest we could possibly get to a petition that couldn't possibly be misconstrued is this:
"Dear GL, do whatever you want with your most recent (and hopefully final) revision of the original Star Wars trilogy (Star Wars: A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi). We would like you to please take Robert Harris up on his offer to restore the original versions to their former glory. Please tell him, once he is finished with the restoration, to convert them to SMPTE rec. 709 24fps 1080p. We would also like the original 35mm sound mixes preserved.
Since we assume you will be placing the revised version on the first disc of each blu-ray case, we would like the remastered original version on the second disc.
We can't imagine you would have anything more to revise in Episodes II and III, and they are (as of now) still the versions that appeared in digital projection during their original theatrical runs. Episode I has already been slightly re-edited with a couple scene extensions and there are rumors of still further revisions, specifically the replacement of the yoda puppet with the Episode II/III digital counterpart. If you could please include the original 1999 theatrical cut of the film via seamless branching, it would be very much appreciated by all of your completist fans.
Thank you for taking the time to read our petition.
signed,
Your Fans"
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legendary but little-known Jedi MasterChainsawAsh said:Star Wars
DISC 1 - Theatrical Version
- Full Restoration by Robert A. Harris
- Selectable Opening Crawl (1977 Star Wars or 1981 Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope)
- Default Audio: Uncompressed 1977 Stereo
- Optional Audio: Uncompressed 1977 Mono; Uncompressed 1977 70mm Six-Track (Dolby Digital 4.1 Surround - original was 4.2); 1985 Stereo; 1993 Stereo
- If there are differences between the 35mm/70mm besides the audio, then the 70mm Dolby 4.1 track would only be selectable on a seamlessly-branched 70mm version of the film (only the pre-ANH crawl would be available on this one)
- NO effects tweaks WHATSOEVER (this includes garbage matte removal!)
I agree 100% with your version.
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Imagination PrincessFang Zei said:We can't imagine you would have anything more to revise in Episodes II and III, and they are (as of now) still the versions that appeared in digital projection during their original theatrical runs. Episode I has already been slightly re-edited with a couple scene extensions and there are rumors of still further revisions, specifically the replacement of the yoda puppet with the Episode II/III digital counterpart. If you could please include the original 1999 theatrical cut of the film via seamless branching, it would be very much appreciated by all of your completist fans.
Nice petition (if only it was a tongue-in-cheek as it seems, but it does seem that Lucas likes to play semantics enough for this to be necessary), but remember that II and III aren't exactly the theatrical versions either. Clones has the additions of sparks to Jango's jetpack, the altering of Padme's recovering noise after falling out of the ship, and a closeup of Anakin's robotic arm, and Sith has the very minor change from a wipe to a straight cut.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don't exist... then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks... and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming... Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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I am ready for the trials!They aren't the 35mm versions, but they are the versions that were shown digitally in auditoriums with DLP projectors. Granted, most people saw the 35mm versions when they went to see the movie in theaters. Only a hundred or so locations were showing AOTC in digital back in '02. The only place in the Commonwealth of Virginia showing it was actually the closest theater to where I live, but I didn't have a hankering to see Clones again until like a month after opening day - when I'd seen it in 35mm at the AMC Union Station in DC - and by that point the DLP screen had switched out AOTC for Scooby-Doo. So I never got to see it in digital. I'm 99% sure that the dvd version is 100% identical to the digital version though. The only thing I'm not sure about is that additional moment in the Lars homestead garage after Anakin's confession when Padme consoles him. I'm not sure if that wasn't added until the dvd. If someone can verify whether or not that was in the digital version, please say.
I saw ROTS on both film and digital. The wipe was definitely there in the film version, and obviously it's not there in the dvd. I'm not sure if it was there or not in the digital version but I think it was gone.
Apparently that wasn't the only difference. I remember reading people's claims that Vader's "NO!" scream and the subsequent wipe to the next scene was different, and that there was a difference in the background during Anakin and Obi-Wan's last verbal exchange on the lava flow. Not sure if any of those are true.
In any event, I'm pretty sure the Episode II and III dvd's are identical to the DLP versions.
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Imagination PrincessAh. I didn't know that the digital and 35 mm versions were different. My mistake. I could have sworn that some of those were instituted specifically for the DVD. ^_^
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don't exist... then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks... and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming... Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Hasta la vista, baby!!!Fang Zei said:Apparently that wasn't the only difference. I remember reading people's claims that Vader's "NO!" scream and the subsequent wipe to the next scene was different, and that there was a difference in the background during Anakin and Obi-Wan's last verbal exchange on the lava flow. Not sure if any of those are true.
The audience that I saw ROTS in was laughing at the vader moment so loud I didn't even catch what they were laughing at. They started laughing right as Vader said No, and I was like, what are they laughing at, because I couldn't hear Vader screaming no! I could've sworn the 35mm version that I saw in theaters had Anakin saying no, I shouldn't, he's unarmed before he killed Dooku, not after. My audience laughed at that moment too.