Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Alexrd said:

greenpenguino said:

Alexrd said:

eiyosus said:

Oh man, when they started ranting from 1:50 onwards I just about puked.  They called the restoration of the original versions a "waste of time."

Jesus.

In GL's point of view.

His point of view is wrong then.

Wrong opinions?

An opinion is open to moral scrutiny.  For instance, I believe that having the point of view that all books should be confiscated and burned, is morally wrong - despite that it is viewpoint that has appeared many times around the world.  Similarly, although less dramatic, the idea that preserving a piece of history is "a waste of time", is in my opinion also wrong, for similar reasons.  It reveals a surprising lack of respect for the importance of history, education, and the roots of freedom, in the person who said it.

But disagree with one of those gold-star-winning opinions, and there's a stock reponse: "That's just your opinion!" Which is, of course, a tautology.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Alexrd said:

greenpenguino said:

Alexrd said:

eiyosus said:

Oh man, when they started ranting from 1:50 onwards I just about puked.  They called the restoration of the original versions a "waste of time."

Jesus.

In GL's point of view.

His point of view is wrong then.

Wrong opinions?

An opinion is open to moral scrutiny.

Indeed. Although saying that something is right and wrong is a very relative judgement. I disagree with Lucas when he thinks it's a waste of time to restore the movies, but I wouldn't say that what he does (or in this case, doesn't do) is wrong, when we are dealing with his product.

Alexrd said:

I disagree with Lucas when he thinks it's a waste of time to restore the movies, but I wouldn't say that what he does (or in this case, doesn't do) is wrong, when we are dealing with his product.

Lucas is under no legal obligation to restore anything for us.  Nor, in my opinion, is he under any moral obligation to do so either.  However, since he is in sole possession of an important cultural artifact, in my opinion he has a moral obligation to either restore it and make it available, or to allow its restoration and release on some reasonable level if he chooses not to restore it himself.  It's more than just a "product" because of the cultural iimpact it has had on society.  So I still think that his viewpoint, and his actions (actually a combination of inaction and action, aimed at blocking the preservation/restoration of a cultural artifact), are morally wrong even if legal. His behavior towards the National Film Archive and the LOC with respect to OT prints is just one example of this.

That's my opinion, also open to moral scrutiny.

It's also George Lucas' opinion wherever anyone else's films are concerned.

Akwat Kbrana said:

It's also George Lucas' opinion wherever anyone else's films are concerned.

DOUBLE STANDARDS

...

Gosh, I haven't used that in a while...

George Lucas never stated the restoration of the original was a waste of time. He said, at first, that he simply didn't want to do it because he was opposed to the idea of people watching the originals, and then he said he would like to but that its too expensive. He never said it was a waste of time.

Talk about putting words into George Lucas' mouth...

zombie84 said:

George Lucas never stated the restoration of the original was a waste of time. He said, at first, that he simply didn't want to do it because he was opposed to the idea of people watching the originals, and then he said he would like to but that its too expensive. He never said it was a waste of time.

Talk about putting words into George Lucas' mouth...

Alexrd seems to have slunk back into the shadows after you set the record straight in that other thread and now further exposed his hypocrisy and irrationality here.

"His product"...

In name only. Everyone knows SW creatively belongs to many, many people who made it so special.

Oh no, please don't drag that pissing contest into this thread too.

There's eight pages or stuff to dig through here and I haven't gone through every single post. Even so, there's really only one thing that needs to be said.

Whether you love or hate the GOUT, it's still more than I ever personally thought we'd get from Lucasfilm so thank the OT.com members that we have it. I can't think of anybody else from the fan community who deserves any credit for it. Period.

If OT.com is going to be picked on, they need credit for the pressure brought to bear on Lucasfilm for getting the GOUT out there.

Wolfman said:

Ouch ! We've been called 'pretentious little snots' and 'petty'  by some urchin over on TFN.

Desmond Wolfe says :

What fuc%er said that?

Oh noes!

It seems to be some sort of site meme to refer to people they don't like in that way as it shows up on a number of searches.

That Rob is just Gay!

obi-rob-kenobi4 (theforce.net) said:

In reality George Lucas gave the OOOT obsessors exactly what it was that they wanted in 2004. He gave the smug, obnoxious little punks and hipsters and criminals the exact thing that they were illegally selling and shearing and downloading and bootlegging and he gave it to them on a convenient dvd. And no matter what you try to say YES it was the best quality possible. For THAT particular version of the films it is the only way to watch them. That particular version was not ever restored/changed to be able to properly watch on a 50'' flat screen. It was/is only watchable on a tube tv. Thats the whole point Lucas was trying to make when he released it in 2004. You wanna see it so bad? Ok tell ya what ill do Ill make it so you dont have to be forced to watch it on vhs anymore and you dont even have to be forced to watch it on a computer screen anymore. You can watch it on a dvd on a big screen tube tv. Flat screen, HD tvs did not even exist when this was made, it was made to be seen on a movie projector or a tube tv screen. Thats it.

LOL

I can never understand dogmatic sectarianism generally but it illustrates how daft a concept it is when it manifests on fantasy film forums and video game console discussions. It makes religious and party political dogma seem almost sensible.

I've always wondered how folks at these "more official" forums could characterize us as just a bunch of do-nothing haters.  It wouldn't make much sense for Harmy or DJ (and many, many others here) to put in the kind of hours they have restoring a film they allegedly hate.