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How could the existence of an Episode VII be justified?
How could the existence of an Episode VII be justified?
kamalayka
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Considering that Episodes 1-3 focus on the first Skywalker becoming the Emperor's apprentice, 4-6 on the second Skywalker bringing the Emperor down from power (although, it really was Anakin that did it), reason would seem to imply that the third trilogy would focus on the third generation Skywalker bringing balance to the Force or whatever.
Who is to say that the Emperor actually died at the end of Episode VI? And why would the Empire, with all of the massive ships and vast legions of troops, suddenly decide to call it quits? Out of the entire galactic population, were Vader and the Emperor really the only two on the dark side of the Force?)
I am not a Star Wars expert, so feel free to correct me on any errors.
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even though lucas promised us a sequel trilogy, to me it sure feels right that it ended at no. 6.
Ziz
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My understanding of Lucas' original concept when he started writing was that his story outline started with Obi-Wan and Anakin, continued on through the events of the OT and then continued even beyond that. It wasn't until he started fleshing things out into script form that he realized just how much potential material he had and eventually worked his way back down to the "Star Wars" we now know. So in theory, he's got some leftover notes vaguely spelling out what could happen in a third trilogy.
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Hand Of Judgmentkamalayka said:
why would the Empire, with all of the massive ships and vast legions of troops, suddenly decide to call it quits?
They didn't suddenly quit. The Thrawn Trilogy handles post-Lucas Star Wars fantastically. If you're not familiar with that trilogy, it's Star Wars in the hands of someone who truly expands the universe. To me, it's greatest strength is that it moves away from Lucas' small universe.
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Summer of 69erkamalayka said:
Who is to say that the Emperor actually died at the end of Episode VI?
He didn't. He transferred his essence into one of the many clone bodies he had grown for him on the planet Byss. He only died once and for all after he ran out of clone bodies and the Jedi Empatojayos Brand sacrificed his life to forcibly carry Palpatine's soul into the netherworld of the Force.
why would the Empire, with all of the massive ships and vast legions of troops, suddenly decide to call it quits?
It didn't. The uprisings shown in the SEs were swiftly quashed, the insurgents rounded up and shot by stormtroopers. The Empire stayed pretty strong following the Battle of Endor, really, only losing its power as it lost more-and-more territory to the nascent New Republic in the years following.
Out of the entire galactic population, were Vader and the Emperor really the only two on the dark side of the Force?
Nope. There were countless Dark Jedi spread throughout the galaxy, most in service to the Emperor. There were also non-Jedi darksiders, like the Nightsisters on the planet Dathomir, running around as well.
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Padawan LearnerI'm not up on the post-Jedi stuff, all those stormtroopers and imperial guys, who pays their salary?
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Token Linguistics NerdThe taxpayers.
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"darth endeor was a meanyhead" - FatherSkywalker, et al--QFTNo no no no no. You see, it's a utopian society where everyone works in space for free because virtue is its own reward. Except for the Ferengi dealing in gold-pressed latinum, money doesn't even exist in Star Wars.
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Han Solo sez: I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money.
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legendary but little-known Jedi MasterZiz said:
My understanding of Lucas' original concept when he started writing was that his story outline started with Obi-Wan and Anakin ...
Will this never end...
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusThe first trilogy is about the construction of a war machine to bring down an already crumbling and corrupt regime.
The second trilogy is about the bringing down of the tyrannical new regime maintained by the war machine built to construct it.
A third trilogy could be about attempting to build a new regime that lives up to the expectations of the people who fought the Empire while aspects of the two previous conflicts are still around.
I'd concentrate on the slavery employed in both the Republic and The Empire as plot points.
How can you build a new democratic and fair Galaxy spanning society if brain washed cloned slaves face probable genocide for war crimes they were programmed to perform and where AI are regarded as utility items.
The Clone Wars were fought by mechanical robot slaves vs organic robot slaves led by a cult of mystics which indoctrinated children (also practically state slavery).
The war in the OT was a conventional war of liberation.
I'd make the ST a slave revolt story along the lines of Spartacus with the slaves on outer rim planets and former stormtroopers teaming up with advanced droids for self determination and freedom.
The New Republic couldn't truly be free while continuing to have a slave underclass, this might be reflected in how Luke rebuilds the Jedi order if indeed he does.
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The Thrawn Trilogy should be made into films. Timothy Zahn could write the screen adaptations with James Camron directing & George Lucas producing. It would be great!
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Now I am with you there.
Ziz
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Ziz said:
My understanding of Lucas' original concept when he started writing was that his story outline started with Obi-Wan and Anakin ...
Will this never end...
Read "The Making of Star Wars" and zombie's "Secret History of Star Wars". The seeds of the prequels were always there, they just kept getting changed and recycled until they evolved into the SW we know and love. When Lucas finally decided to do the PT, he went back and re-recycled his old ideas back into what they started as.
I'm not saying they were good ideas, but they were there.
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Magister Pontifex MaximusNaughty speculation on my part but 20th Century Fox's pursuit of Battlestar Galactica through the courts makes me wonder if the Cylons were coincidentally close to a battledroid storyline he may have mentioned to one of the shared staff.
Glen Larson was working on the idea long before Star Wars but Lucas may have come to the conclusion it was a rip off and mentioned it to Fox.
The PT and bits of ROTJ are a bit 'Galacticaish' so maybe he had something like that in his head and Larson through parallel evolution also had a rag tag fleet fleeing from killer robots.
As both projects had shared staff Paranoid FOX Was Paranoid (possibly).
Its not as if the show resembles the first Star Wars film any more than it resembles the earlier space operas they both share as inspiration.
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How could the existence of an Episode VII be justified?