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Here comes "The Making Of The Empire Strikes Back" book!

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Someone in the comments section claims there will be "excerpts" from the original book by Alan Arnold.

I fear the worst. :(

Where were you in '77?

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Awesome!  I can't wait.

What's wrong with Arnold's Once Upon a Galaxy?  I really liked that book last I read it...

Do you think it will include shots of Ady's Revisited Edit?  :wink:

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Nothing wrong with it at all! It's my favorite. I just fear it will be edited to remove remarks Lucas made in 1979 that contradict what he says now. (The whole nine movie saga thing, "Revenge" of the Jedi, etc.)

Not to mention any trace of tension or chaos on the set.

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

Nothing wrong with it at all! It's my favorite. I just fear it will be edited to remove remarks Lucas made in 1979 that contradict what he says now. (The whole nine movie saga thing, "Revenge" of the Jedi, etc.)

Not to mention any trace of tension or chaos on the set.

 

You mean like the part where Lucas takes the film away from Kersh and does his own cut that is faster and more intense? 

The irony of course being Lucas having his films taken away from him and recut against his wishes like THX 1138 and American Graffiti.  Was it written into the deal memo for star wars that he would get final cut?

Thankfully that never ended up in theaters, Empire is a masterpiece because of Kasden, Kershner, and Kurtz.  Along with the cinematography and the music of john williams and the magic of ilm. 

When Lucas came to his senses he realized the film worked better as Kershner had it cut but made some suggestions for changes and some notes for scenes to be reshot on pickups.  Lucas works best when he is part of a collarborative team.

For Jedi he chose a director who had a background in making documentaries like he himself did, and who would direct the film as if Lucas himself had directed it.  I think it would have been far more interesting to have a different style and director for all three films. 

I wish Marquand put his own stamp so to speak on Return of Jedi.  What we ended up with was very much a remake of star wars 77 but not as good or original, as much as i love rotj i have to admit this is true.

Just as had Lucas stuck to his original plan he would have directed Episode 1 and hired different directors for episode II and III.

If i recall the reason he had to write and direct all three prequels himself as not being able to get Steven Spielberg for Return of the Jedi was because he resigned from the wga and the dga.  So he could not get any people who were union to do the films supposedly.

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I just hope they keep it SE-free like they did with the first book. I think they will- it seems like they're going for consistency. 

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I wouldn't mind an enture SE book when they're done with the Trilogy, but you're right... keep the SE's out of it.

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xhonzi said:

I wouldn't mind an enture SE book when they're done with the Trilogy, but you're right... keep the SE's out of it.

 

 Id think that would be best, and really appropriate. If the SEs are viewed as a seperate work from a serperate era, I think they have their own unique values and even a little charm.

 

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Well put.

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Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Damn. I thought we were talking about the "unreleased" documentary. :(
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digitalfreaknyc said:Damn. I thought we were talking about the "unreleased" documentary. :(

 

Sorry about that. I'll change the title.

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Can't they make this book a little smaller than the last one? The size of the last one was ridiculous. Books that are to be read rather than just left on coffee tables should be easy to handle, not big cumbersome things. And there's way too much of a thing of Star Wars fans being milked for cash through lots of big overdone luxury giant hardbacks/coffee table books. I think they deliberately make the books unwieldy just to make them fancy and jack up the price. And so many Star Wars fans just go along with it. Real books are meant to be read, not left on coffee tables. And there's a general trend nowadays (not just in Star wars) of making books bigger than they need to be just so people can think they're clever for reading a book that has physical bulk. So often, the same text can be put out in a much smaller format that's easier to handle and doesn't take up so much precious bookshelf space. And the Star Wars situation is just another facet of the sad situation that Star Wars merchandising has become.

And yeah I know there was a paperback version of The Making of Star Wars that was smaller (at least the British version), but if you got that there was stuff left out. So I was stuck getting the giant motherfucking Making of Star Wars and constantly trying to figure out where to put the bloody thing.

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xhonzi said:

I wouldn't mind an enture SE book when they're done with the Trilogy, but you're right... keep the SE's out of it.

 

 Id think that would be best, and really appropriate. If the SEs are viewed as a seperate work from a serperate era, I think they have their own unique values and even a little charm.

 

I'm with you on separate work from a separate era, with different values, but charm? Two horrible cartoon Jabbas, painful Jedi Rocks with annoying-to-the-limit cartoon creatures, Han Solo castrated (well, shooting second), Hayden ghost leering at the ewoks, Temuera-does-bland-Boba, overdone Mos Eisley spectacle (with TPM-style "humor"), Bash Fender's Shadows of the Empire ship stuffed in where it doesn't belong, other-planet celebration scenes stuffed into the end of ROTJ where they break up the emotional flow of the film at a crucial point (with added Gungan in the second version), eyebrows cut off Sebastian Shaw to fit a stupid movie made two decades after the original... no, I don't see the charm. Fucking mutilation and bad taste, plus a lack of understanding of how the films work. Not that they shouldn't be studied. They're part of Star Wars history and a crucial step in Star Wars's development into shallow crap. It's important to study them if you want to understand how Lucas went wrong on Star Wars.

 

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I wish Marquand put his own stamp so to speak on Return of Jedi.  What we ended up with was very much a remake of star wars 77 but not as good or original, as much as i love rotj i have to admit this is true.

ROTJ is as good as ANH. It just has different strengths and weaknesses.

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YES!!!

As if Making of SW wasn't good enough.....plus the foreword is written by Sir Ridley Scott!!!!!!

I do agree that these coffee table books are getting out of hand, both in size and price.

BTW what did the hardcover version of Making of SW have that the paperback didn't?

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captainsolo said: I do agree that these coffee table books are getting out of hand, both in size and price.

 

BTW what did the hardcover version of Making of SW have that the paperback didn't?

 

I think it was like 20 or 30 extra pages of content. Can't tell you exactly what, though.

I also agree that the coffee table format is unwieldy. I had a really hard time with the first book just finding a seating position to comfortably look through the thing.

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Wait, 20 - 30 extra pages?  Of what, I need to know if I need to upgrade.

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Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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(ANH) Deluxe Edition Bonus Material

The Complete Alex Tavoularis Storyboards .... PG 310

The Complete Ivor Beddoes Storyboards .... PG 325

Selected Joe Johnston Storyboards .... PG 333

George Lucas Expands His Universe .... PG 350

Star Wars Progression .... PG 354

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Trying to read the ANH one right now.  So unwieldy!  Its good stuff, but even the "paperback" is heavy!

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(ANH) Deluxe Edition Bonus Material

The Complete Alex Tavoularis Storyboards .... PG 310

The Complete Ivor Beddoes Storyboards .... PG 325

Selected Joe Johnston Storyboards .... PG 333

George Lucas Expands His Universe .... PG 350

Star Wars Progression .... PG 354

 

 George Lucas Expands His Universe .... PG 350

-particuarly invaluable stuff. It shows that Anakin building 3PO was probably planned back in 1977, for example.

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Crap.

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"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Yeah. I feel for you. You bought the paperback. I wanted to buy the paperback but then I heard about the bonus material and I decided I'd better get the ten-ton hardback. I think it's a dirty trick sticking valuable stuff in the hardback only. That section about expanding the universe has a whole lot of 1977 monologue pieces from Lucas in which he gives bits of 1977 Star Wars backstory for use by expanded universe writers. Han, 3PO, Leia, rebellion, rise of the empire, etc.

I'm still in shock that in 77 Lucas had threepio rebuilt by a boy working for a junk dealer and eventuallly given new coverings, later to join Alderaanian service. The thing to be careful about when judging the prequels is that some stuff that looks like it's recent bullshit can turn out to go way back. Still there's a lot of stuff that looks very clearly like it's a 90s development. And if the prequels really were all that faithful to Lucas's backstory then maybe the backstory was crap that was best kept off the screen. But I think no matter how faithful the story elements in the prequels might be to the original backstory, the spirit of how they were done out in the prequels must be seriously at odds with how Lucas envisioned the backstory back in the old days. And no way was Anakin originally envisioned as being like the Hayden Christensen version.

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Vaderisnothayden said:

Yeah. I feel for you. You bought the paperback. I wanted to buy the paperback but then I heard about the bonus material and I decided I'd better get the ten-ton hardback. I think it's a dirty trick sticking valuable stuff in the hardback only. That section about expanding the universe has a whole lot of 1977 monologue pieces from Lucas in which he gives bits of 1977 Star Wars backstory for use by expanded universe writers. Han, 3PO, Leia, rebellion, rise of the empire, etc.

I'm still in shock that in 77 Lucas had threepio rebuilt by a boy working for a junk dealer and eventuallly given new coverings, later to join Alderaanian service. The thing to be careful about when judging the prequels is that some stuff that looks like it's recent bullshit can turn out to go way back. Still there's a lot of stuff that looks very clearly like it's a 90s development. And if the prequels really were all that faithful to Lucas's backstory then maybe the backstory was crap that was best kept off the screen. But I think no matter how faithful the story elements in the prequels might be to the original backstory, the spirit of how they were done out in the prequels must be seriously at odds with how Lucas envisioned the backstory back in the old days. And no way was Anakin originally envisioned as being like the Hayden Christensen version.

  Vaderisnothayden:

  In that '77 scenario, it wasn't Anakin that built 3PO.  The text-interview doesn't explicitly say that it is,  but frankly,  the context of the whole "Lucas expands his universe" section makes it highly unlikely that the boy in question was actually Anakin or 'Annikin' (as it was spelled then) back in '77.   If you read the other parts of that chapter of SW 'history',  it's made clear that Vader and Annikin were two separate people (Annikin being the last Jedi to die in the purge only tends to reinforce this).   With that,  there's no reason for a 'memory wipe' or for 3PO to NOT know that it was Anakin who built him, if it indeed was supposed to have been Anakin .  So you can forget 'Anakin built 3PO' as being "old"....just that 3PO was built buy a boy working for a junk dealer.  When it came to the prequels,  Lucas merely grafted that 'boy' onto Anakin's history (among other...ahem....'tweaks').

Ditto for the midichlorians,  where it (the '77 text) says that "certain alien species have a higher count than other beings."   Could that be the 'genesis' of Yoda, or a 'proto-Yoda'?  Dunno.  But it certainly doesn't speak of a human 'Chosen One' ,  on account of midis.

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To me, the most interesting thing about "midichlorians" of any kind existing in '77 is the fact that they were relegated to the trashcan along with the Kaibur crystal. And that young Lucas makes a point of saying that the force concept got better the less he explained it. And anything physical just made it mundane. It's impressive how all his instincts were so right on the money back then, even though he was fairly young and had only directed 3 movies. The Raiders story transcripts illustrate this very well.

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Bocce_Linguist said:

Vaderisnothayden:

Gotta love a bump of a year-and-a-half old thread, especially when the member in question hasn't been online in nearly a year.

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TV's Frink said:

Bocce_Linguist said:

Vaderisnothayden:

Gotta love a bump of a year-and-a-half old thread, especially when the member in question hasn't been online in nearly a year.

 

It isn't like he -  and ONLY - he can address the post.

BaronLando posted his own observation on the subject not long afterwards, which is the kind of thing I was going for (whether Vaderisnothayden responded to it or not). 

btw, BaronLando, thanks for your response.

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