red5-626 said:

LOL

I was wondering if any one had thought of doing a Preservations documentary. But doing it as a spoof on the Special Edition Intro (1997 Star Wars A New Hope Special Edition VHS Intro (1997

I have a spoof restoration video in my sig ("rescuing star wars"), although it's not exactly what you describe.

I also made this trailer ages ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N0FxV3SqcI

Also not the same thing but similar :-)

Yeah, thanks for your care but I think it's fine. And besides, there's gonna be a new version anyway :-)

No, even I agree the disk is fine! The fix is stupidly easy. I never would have put my DVD player in the auto p&s detect option in the first place but I bought it used, plugged it in and never had an 'issue' with it until ESB.

Let me repeat, I wrote my post in case anyone else ran into this problem and came running to this forum trying to find answers.

Thank you for authoring these DVDs by the way. I love how they go straight to the movie with no superfluous menu.

A little bit of both - the scenes were too dark, so I brightened them - unfortunately I didn't always manage to keep the blacks black - something I hope to fix in the next version.

Drax said:

Where do I download this?

Since you mention doing another version of ESB....

There's a shot of Star Destroyers that looks really off to me.  I think it's a problem with the 2004 master (possibly introduced by the crushed blacks, or maybe the resompositing, or maybe some of both).  I've never noticed this until I started watching fan preservations using the 2004 versions as the primary source.  But I'm lead to believe it must be in the original 2004 source material (I've never actually watched the 2004 dvd's themselves) b/c it also appeared in Adywan's ESB 1980 reconstruction.

Anyway, enough background.  Check out the Star Destroyer on the bottom left of the image:

And now a closeup:

And now the same shot from the GOUT:

As you can see, during the creation of the 2004 version, they somehow erased the middle of the ship!  I know the pictures are crappy, but watch it & you'll see quite clearly that the original version the ship was intact with no weird anomoly in its center...  I don't have the 1997 SE anymore to check how it looks there, but I'm betting this problem was created in 2004.

That's exactly my point.  Go watch the GOUT then watch the DE or Adywan's reconstruction (or, presumeably, the actual 2004 version).  In the GOUT the middle of the ship, while possibly in bit of shadow, is still clearly visible as exisiting.  In the 2004 sourced versions, if it's there at all, it's SO dark as to look the same as the outerspace around it, effectively making it look like you're seeing right through the middle of the ship in a really poorly done composite.  The original composite was obviously not so poorly done.

I guess, ever since I started watching preservations sourced from the 2004 material, that shot has really jumped out at me as being screwed up.  I had never seen a version where the middle of the ship was completely invisible before then & it really stood out to me & has bothered me ever since.

Isn't this a perfect example of a crushed black?

How is it the wrong thread?  This is something I noticed in the Despecialized Edition of ESB & I posted it in the ESB DE thread as something for Harmy to possibly fix in the next version he just mentioned doing.

Right, even though it's an example of a crushed black, it's one that looks fixable. Good catch.

It is just crushed blacks, not a problem with the 04 recomposite. To be fair though, one could argue that Harmy should uncomposite them back to the original to truly despecialize it.

yeah, like I said in my first post on the subject, I wasn't sure if it was a problem with a recomposite or crushed blacks.  But I think you've all convinced me it is just crushed blacks (& thanks for the better pics 005).  But good grief!  They're so freaking crushed that now it LOOKS like a bad composite even if it's not!  way to go, lucasfilm...

Although one thing that still makes me question if it's not also a recomp...  Is it just me, or does the ship in the GOUT look like it's nose is pointing just slightly up as compared to the 2004 version?  Look at the pics in 005's post.  I know they're not the exact same frame, but the angle of the ship never really changes in that shot even though it is moving.

canofhumdingers said:

yeah, like I said in my first post on the subject, I wasn't sure if it was a problem with a recomposite or crushed blacks.  But I think you've all convinced me it is just crushed blacks (& thanks for the better pics 005).  But good grief!  They're so freaking crushed that now it LOOKS like a bad composite even if it's not!  way to go, lucasfilm...

Although one thing that still makes me question if it's not also a recomp...  Is it just me, or does the ship in the GOUT look like it's nose is pointing just slightly up as compared to the 2004 version?  Look at the pics in 005's post.  I know they're not the exact same frame, but the angle of the ship never really changes in that shot even though it is moving.

TServo2049 said:

It DOES look like the element was slightly rotated. No idea WHY...

It definitely was, I guess it's because no effort was made to make an exact match of the original composites, very few has been made with that mentality, some of them were for the '97SE but even those aren't an exact match. All recomposites done on the trilogy end up with slightly different positions in relation to their surroundings, timings, flight paths and timings of lasers etc. I guess it wasn't their priority to get them exact as the average viewer or even we in some cases who knows these films backwards and forwards will not see the difference unless we compare with the original composites. As you can see on that comparison pic 005 posted, the different angle of the lower Stardestroyer is not the only difference, those pics are synced up.

TServo2049 said:

The only drawback is that the bigger stars don't really glow like they do in the GOUT - can we blame crushed blacks again?

Where as the 2004 footage have crushed blacks, the GOUT have clipped whites instead, I guess that's why you have the difference. The following shots of the fleet will be equally problematic to despecialize.