Stinky-Dinkins said:

Whoa whoa whoa, stop the clock.

You're getting awfully defensive about this.

Calling it a fan edit is kind of silly. It's a matter of semantics, so on some level one could consider this technically a fan edit since it's not working from a single dedicated source, but the fact is when someone refers to a "fan edit" it carries a definite connotation. It sort of implies that someone has taken something and purposefully altered it so it doesn't resemble the original presentation but rather reflects their own specific vision. Harmy is doing the opposite here, trying to recreate the theatrical presentation as faithfully as he can manage. Semantics aside, a project with that singular purpose isn't the kind that springs to mind when talking about fan edits... for me at least.

Then again, the exact descriptor attached to the project doesn't really matter to me in my book. It's the project itself, and its goal - that's what matters.

And that is exactly what he is doing, he is altering the 2004 SE HD broadcast to reflect the his own specific vision of the untouched original trilogy, which in my opinion and obviously a few others, will never be 100%, and then you call me silly for thinking this is a fan edit, and then you go and prove my damn point, so Thank you very much for doing that sir, you the man!

I don't think it's negative per se, I have no problem with fan edits, it's just misleading when applied to a project like this. When considering a fan edit a project thats sole aim is to recreate the original theatrical presentation in the highest quality possible using various sources isn't really the sort of thing that comes to mind. A fan edit is more about the fan creating it and less about the original presentation, an edit with changes specific to that fan's preferences. Harmy's a fan who's editing various sources together to recreate the original version.... a totally different thing. In this case it's less about the fan and more about the film itself.

dark_jedi said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

Whoa whoa whoa, stop the clock.

You're getting awfully defensive about this.

Calling it a fan edit is kind of silly. It's a matter of semantics, so on some level one could consider this technically a fan edit since it's not working from a single dedicated source, but the fact is when someone refers to a "fan edit" it carries a definite connotation. It sort of implies that someone has taken something and purposefully altered it so it doesn't resemble the original presentation but rather reflects their own specific vision. Harmy is doing the opposite here, trying to recreate the theatrical presentation as faithfully as he can manage. Semantics aside, a project with that singular purpose isn't the kind that springs to mind when talking about fan edits... for me at least.

Then again, the exact descriptor attached to the project doesn't really matter to me in my book. It's the project itself, and its goal - that's what matters.

And that is exactly what he is doing, he is altering the 2004 SE HD broadcast to reflect the his own specific vision of the untouched original trilogy, which in my opinion and obviously a few others, will never be 100%, and then you call me silly for thinking this is a fan edit, and then you go and prove my damn point, so Thank you very much for doing that sir, you the man!

He's not altering it to reflect his specific vision, he's altering it to reflect how it originally appeared in theaters as much as he possibly can while maintaining the visual fidelity of the source. It's the source he's working with that deviates from the original, he's trying to remedy that. He's not taking a source that mirrors the original and editing it based on a whim.... which is kind of what people expect when talking about fan edits.

If you want to wrestle me I'll wrestle you, I'll wrestle the bejesus out of you. I'm already naked. Let's do this.

Stinky-Dinkins said:

If you want to wrestle me I'll wrestle you, I'll wrestle the bejesus out of you. I'm already naked. Let's do this.

Sorry, I like Woman, but if you are a Woman, I still do not think I would tangle with you, not with a first name of Stinky! I'll pass.

dark_jedi said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

If you want to wrestle me I'll wrestle you, I'll wrestle the bejesus out of you. I'm already naked. Let's do this.

Sorry, I like Woman.

 That's something a caveman would say!

Are you a caveman? You are the angriest caveman I have ever met, and I've met some fucking cavemen.

whoa, whoa, calm down guys ;-)

If you don't stay the fuck out of this Harmy I'll probably end up wrestling the shit out of you too. When I get started I don't stop, I'm like a diesel motor, so keep that in mind. There's not a person on the last two pages that won't get a taste of this.

Look, I'm drunk too but thre's no reason for violence ;-)

The last time you got drunk in this thread you woke up next to Frink. Frink was walking bowlegged for an entire week.

Didn't see that coming...

You said that exact same thing about Harmy that night.

I just did you in again Frink, that's a double whammy.

*licks finger, touches air in front of face* 

Dinkins, 2.

Frink, Zero.

I don't remember trying to deny any of this.

This thread just got a whole lot more interesting!

I deny everything!...

Jaskoen said:

homoerotic barbs.

 I read this as homoerotic "bards," and for a moment my interest was so, so piqued.

Ginge said:

 For me it's little things like Vader's white saber saber

....

regardless they are Harmy's choices to be made.  

No, things like that were Lucas' choices / oversights (or someone else on staff) prior to the movies being initially released.... because it was in the original, it's in this as it was.

This project's purpose is to restore the original theatrical presentations as faithfully as possible given the constraints of the sources Harmy is working with. It isn't to correct "errors" in the originals. Everything in the originals, "errors" or otherwise, are important parts of the fabric of the original releases.... and that's what he's trying to recreate.

Color timing is another issue. I have my own nitpicky bullshit when it comes to the color timing, but I don't doubt Harmy is trying to duplicate what he believes was the original color grading.

I never corrected any garbage matte lines, but if you mean matte boxes, then I "corrected" those through colour-timing only and did so because under ideal conditions they wouldn't have been visible in cinemas in 1977 - so again, just trying to preserve/restore the original movie-going experience.

I did make some choices where to leave the SE footage but that was in 99% of cases with the invisible fixes where you probably couldn't see the difference, unless you saw it side by side, frame by frame. Which of course does make it possibly less than 90% truly accurate to the actual film but takes it pretty damn close to 100% accuracy to the original experience.

Harmy said:

I never corrected any garbage matte lines, but if you mean matte boxes, then I "corrected" those through colour-timing only and did so because under ideal conditions they wouldn't have been visible in cinemas in 1977 - so again, just trying to preserve/restore the original movie-going experience.

You need to get used to that some people will never grasp why those garbage-mattes are so often visible on video. ;)

Keep up the good work you're doing Harmy. :)

Ginge said:

I will watch DJ's version (assuming I eventually get the Blu) when I am on my own and feel like watching Star Wars as I remember it. I will watch Harmy's version when I am with a group of friends or if I wanted to show some girl I am dating Star Wars... since they will look more contemporary and polished.

That sounds funny to me, because my most vivid memories from 1977 are seeing the film over and over again in the theater when it first came out.  So my memories are of a large, sharp, pristine, brilliant image.  So Harmy's is more like I remember my original viewing experience.