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I don't think that was a finished product he's actually using. He did say it was "just for fun."
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It's like it's quite possible that Picasso would have loved to use Photoshop for some of his paintings if it was available back then, but if you take a picture from Picasso and recreate it in Photoshop, it's not going to be the same picture and it can hardly be used to demonstrate Picasso's brush techniques.
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chyron8472 said:
I don't think that was a finished product he's actually using. He did say it was "just for fun."
Ah! Very well. Yeah, I would think if it's Star Wars you'd have a more serious title menu.
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In understood it to be the extras animation
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Twisted & EvilHarmy said:
Just for fun, here's a v2.5 version of the Despecialized Edition logo sequence for the BD extras:
http://uloz.to/xeQQCjb/deed-v2-5-logo-ac3-m2ts
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animemaakuo said:
chyron8472 said:
I don't think that was a finished product he's actually using. He did say it was "just for fun."
Ah! Very well. Yeah, I would think if it's Star Wars you'd have a more serious title menu.
It's not the title menu, it's for the extras, and do you really not understand the significance of the animation there?
Also, Harmy did post an early version of the actual menu design and it was pretty freakin sweet.
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A légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal.Cobra Kai said:
It's not the title menu, it's for the extras, and do you really not understand the significance of the animation there?
It's quite possible he, and many others, may not. For a lot of people, they saw the SE's in 1997, declared them to be an abomination, and never saw or thought much about them again. The details of what exactly made it an abomination were forgotten well over a decade ago (maybe they remember the "Han Shot First!" controversy more from the T-shirt than from the actual scene)--they just stopped paying attention to Star Wars developments and they stopped watching Star Wars entirely when their VCR broke. Seriously, I went about 10 years without giving a damn about Star Wars. It happens.
That said, a sense of humor about this situation is good, and I think the menu animation handles it nicely. Some people won't get it, and that's OK.
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Harmy said:
Just for fun, here's a v2.5 version of the Despecialized Edition logo sequence for the BD extras:
http://uloz.to/xeQQCjb/deed-v2-5-logo-ac3-m2ts
This scene is funny, J.J. Abrams would approve of the lens flare.
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Han D. SoloJust to clarify, it is not a menu background/animation - it will be used as a logo sequence appearing at the beginning of featurettes and stuff like that.
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Padawan LearnerI have a question that probably has been asked before, but I'm unsure how to search 344 pages to find it.
Basically, I've been collecting Star Wars digital material for decades now and while I have not watched each version, can someone who has watched the major ones tell me if I'm right?
Question is, the fan made version which most comes close to the theatrical OT. The top 3 I think are:
OCP Classic Edition
This Harmy Despecialized Edition
Adywan Revisited Edition
My gut is telling me Harmy's should be the closest? If I am remembering right, OCP's is a DVD/LD mashup which is very close but no other updates plus resolution issues. Adywan's, while very good resolution, color correction, etc.....contains a lot of personal additions/upgrades that never existed.
This one though, seems to just be great resolution, purist content with slight updates like color correction.
Am I right or am I really off the mark and need to do a lot more research? :) Thanks.
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Undead PixelDuke of Crydee said:
I have a question that probably has been asked before, but I'm unsure how to search 344 pages to find it.
Basically, I've been collecting Star Wars digital material for decades now and while I have not watched each version, can someone who has watched the major ones tell me if I'm right?Question is, the fan made version which most comes close to the theatrical OT. The top 3 I think are:
OCP Classic Edition
This Harmy Despecialized Edition
Adywan Revisited Edition
My gut is telling me Harmy's should be the closest? If I am remembering right, OCP's is a DVD/LD mashup which is very close but no other updates plus resolution issues. Adywan's, while very good resolution, color correction, etc.....contains a lot of personal additions/upgrades that never existed.
This one though, seems to just be great resolution, purist content with slight updates like color correction.
Am I right or am I really off the mark and need to do a lot more research? :) Thanks.
No you are exactly right Harmy's Despecialized is a purist recreation with some clean up work done to the picture so that it can be presented in the best possible resolution but everything that was shown in the theaters in 77, 80, and 83 is preserved flaws and all. Adywan's Revisited is a different school of thought as it is arguably the way the Special Editions should have been. And of course there are some other projects as well but I consider Harmy's and Adywan's to be the top projects
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Duke of Crydee said:
I have a question that probably has been asked before, but I'm unsure how to search 344 pages to find it.
Basically, I've been collecting Star Wars digital material for decades now and while I have not watched each version, can someone who has watched the major ones tell me if I'm right?Question is, the fan made version which most comes close to the theatrical OT. The top 3 I think are:
OCP Classic Edition
This Harmy Despecialized Edition
Adywan Revisited Edition
My gut is telling me Harmy's should be the closest? If I am remembering right, OCP's is a DVD/LD mashup which is very close but no other updates plus resolution issues. Adywan's, while very good resolution, color correction, etc.....contains a lot of personal additions/upgrades that never existed.
This one though, seems to just be great resolution, purist content with slight updates like color correction.
Am I right or am I really off the mark and need to do a lot more research? :) Thanks.
Yes, and just to clarify - even Harmy's color corrections were done with the intent of preserving the original theatrical appearance. He had access to original 1977 color references, which he used to re-time the blu-ray.
Two more projects to check out:
- Dark Jedi & You_Too's Blu V2. http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-OT-1997-Special-Edition-Blu-rays-Info-by-Team-Blu/topic/10550/
It is sourced from the official 2006 theatrical dvds, and have been color-corrected and upscaled. The quality is phenomenal, considering the source. They will be finished sometime this year, I believe.
- Team Negative 1 - 35mm preservation http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/team-negative1-star-wars-1977-35mm-theatrical-version-release-details-and-updates/topic/14590/
Star Wars might be done this year, with Empire to follow.
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Chief Architect of Cynical MoralityComplete with some of the SE changes? That would be silly, but I'm sure someone has done it. ;-)Gomu69 said:
Does that mean there's a GOUT-synced version of the Blu-ray floating about or is that just plain silly?
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Han D. SoloGomu69 said:
Does that mean there's a GOUT-synced version of the Blu-ray floating about or is that just plain silly?
If you're getting this from the phrase "re-timed the Blu-Ray", then it is indeed silly :-) Because it means re-timed the colors of the Blu-Ray. But basically, the DeEd is a GOUT synced version of the BD, only with most of the changes removed.
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"Stick and Stones will break my bones but the Blu-Rays will never Harmy."
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Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!
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I would say more changes than what merely qualifies as "most."
Repainting R2's dome while in space back to black (ie. intentionally reinserting the original inconsistencies) would, I think, be one of the many above-and-beyond sorts of changes that doesn't come across when you say "most."
What you really mean by "most" is that there are certain original elements which border on unknowable as to what exactly they looked like originally, so you won't exactly claim "all" of them as fixed.
Harmy said:
It's like it's quite possible that Picasso would have loved to use Photoshop for some of his paintings if it was available back then, but if you take a picture from Picasso and recreate it in Photoshop, it's not going to be the same picture and it can hardly be used to demonstrate Picasso's brush techniques.
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The Interweb is a Series of Tubeschyron8472 said:
What you really mean by "most" is that there are certain original elements which border on unknowable as to what exactly they looked like originally, so you won't exactly claim "all" of them as fixed.
Also, he kept many (not all) of the new wipes that were done by Pacific Titles.
I agree with his decision to keep these, as it's impossible to notice the difference while watching the movie and there's no HD source available for the original wipes yet.
You'd have to do a side-by-side, frame-by-frame comparison with GOUT to see the difference and even then it's minor.
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Han D. SoloHey guys remember that Stormtrooper white crotch debate? I just stumbled across this post that shows it in a scan of an original 35mm print:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/584251/#TopicPost584251
Pennsylvania Jones said:
"Stick and Stones will break my bones but the Blu-Rays will never Harmy."
Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!
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A légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal.I'm just proud to be a member of a forum where the "Stormtrooper white crotch debate" is a thing!
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Han D. SoloMe too :-D
Pennsylvania Jones said:
"Stick and Stones will break my bones but the Blu-Rays will never Harmy."
Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!
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Use The Forks!Yeah its a known Imperial fact the Stormtrooper armor crotch glows didnt you guys know that!
Its so if its dark, like in outer space, they can still find the opening to go the bathroom and it also doubles up as a lamp, I think its also Light Sabre resistant.
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Well then I'm SUPER proud to have started the stormtrooper white crotch debate in the first place. :) In all seriousness, I'm glad to see that this was always there and does not need to be corrected, and it will therefore no longer bother me.
But crotches of the OT beware... you cannot hide...
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Maybe the corner with the brightcrotch FX was where the pantyhose over the lens ended. A little extra light was coming in from the corner and the rest was history.
Harmy, are you going to add grain and adjust the brightness on this scene in 2.5 to more closely match the IB and 35mm footage?
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Han D. SoloNo. Those pictures are way too dark (it is way brighter on the IB print) and I already added some grain to it. I'm not gonna grain it up like crazy, because then I'd have to go and add loads of grain to all composites - and I'm working with a scan (albeit a bad one) of the original negative here, not a print.
Pennsylvania Jones said:
"Stick and Stones will break my bones but the Blu-Rays will never Harmy."
Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!
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Forgive me for asking...I have access to the linked files from the "tehparadox" site, I see the "pass" info also. Does that I mean I should use the registered user login fields on the left? Sorry, I do not understand the site's native language.
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GOUT suffererMy God Harmy (not stating that you are my God, just exclaiming), I've got the 2.1 on right now on my projector, and decided for the heck of it to specifically look for "lobster man", which is around the 4:59 mark if anyone wants to look, and it is such an amazing difference from the official Blu-ray, it looks so natural, and just so... perfect. Thank you for making it so we don't have to live with such abominations as the BD set or limp along the rest of our lives with meagre offerings like the GOUT.