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Harmy said:
Yeah, but in movement I don't think it would make a noticeable difference. The speeder on the other hand...
Yeah, I do suspect it might not be worth it, and sorry for coming with suggestions this late in the game, just thought better mention my observations than not with all minutia being discussed in here.
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Harmy - sounds good, thanks!
Regarding the audio, wow... I always wondered what it'd look like in Pro Tools, but never had the time to mess with it. Been using the m-powered version for about a year and like it OK, but find a few things awkward about it. Still, it is "the standard" out there, and is good stuff to learn ;) Personally, I still prefer Audition for some audio tasks, probably because of familiarity. In any case, that's pretty wild to hear all the details concerning the differences.
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Han D. SoloThat sounds pretty sweet h_h. Though I really hope you're not going to take too long with it, because like I said, I can't really start working on authoring the disc until I have all the audio files.
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Reginald ScumI haven't actually got Pro Tools up and running yet, because I only just got it in the mail and my student-discounted ID still needs to be verified. I've been starting to learn it this semester and I agree that it is kind of an ungainly and cumbersome program—my folks got it for me so I could do assignments at home and so that any future career work won't be out of my reach due to not being familiar with the standard software used by many professionals. All my Star Wars stuff so far has been done using a Mac program called Sound Studio, which doesn't have as many features or controls, yet has a more understandable interface and far greater overall ease of use. But if I make myself use Pro Tools for SW stuff from now on, it'll be a good way to learn.
In addition to these little fixes on 35mm stereo track for the first film, I'm still planning on revisiting the 5.1 mixes for ESB and RotJ, so I'll see I fare on those as well. ;)
@Harmy: It shouldn't really be that much work, but it is a bit tedious and of course I still have studying to do also. I'll try to be as quick about it as I can.
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A légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal.hairy_hen said:
Thus far in the digital version I have identified 13 audio dropouts, two instances of pitch distortion due to tape damage, and one spot in which the entire stereo image shifts radically to the left due to the right channel dropping in level before returning to what it should be.
Jesus, good ears!
As soon as I have more time I'll be taking care of this, and then uploading DTS-HD MA encodes of the stereo, mono, and '93 mixes for use on the upcoming Bluray. The '85 and 70mm mixes have been provided already, I believe. There is a slight problem in that I'm not actually able to listen to the resulting files once they're encoded, but since I have the official DTS software and its verification capability, there shouldn't be any problems.
That all sounds fantastic. I provided the '85 stereo mix with a minimal 255k core. If that was a bad call, feel free to override me, I don't mind.
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Very weird. I would hope the analog is clean enough to match, but would be careful
To be clear, the 5.1 DTS MA is done/ready? ...I thought Harmy had given up on including the 85 stereo mix, as it needed to still be GOUT synched? In any case, I also hope you can get things as best they can be!
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Han D. SoloWell, I wouldn't want the size of the audio files to be much larger than the '85 mix that was provided by CatBus, because already as it is, there won't be much space for the menu and all the extras.
Depending on how much space will be needed for the extras, I might actually only include the three '77 mixes in lossless.
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"Stick and Stones will break my bones but the Blu-Rays will never Harmy."
Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
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A légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal.analog said:
I thought Harmy had given up on including the 85 stereo mix, as it needed to still be GOUT synched?
Molly synced an LD rip to the GOUT, I haven't done any painstaking verification, but it seems pretty good. It may have imperfect sync or small dropouts here and there, but some of our other tracks seem to as well so I guess that's not unusual.
Harmy--if the lossless file is too big and you don't already have the 85 mix in lossy, I have an AC3 of the same. PM me if you need it.
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"You don't need to see his identification"A couple of things I spotted:
1. I noticed that the opening star field has a bit of gate weave still...Is that intentionally left in?
2. R2-D2 has some flickering while hiding from Obi-Wan in the rocks.
I was going to mention an audio issue where Han is talking to Luke on the Death Star, and asks after finding out about Leia being held prisoner, "What are you talking about?", but hairy_hen probably already knows about that one.
Otherwise, that's it for now.
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Han D. Solo@CatBus: I'll have to see how much space I need when I have all the tracks and if I need it, I'll let you know, thanks.
@dlvh: 1. No, it's not intentionally left in, it's intentionally added :-D
2. Not much I can do there.
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Harmy said:
Depending on how much space will be needed for the extras, I might actually only include the three '77 mixes in lossless.
That would be disappointing, as I had synched the lossless '85 track to v.2.0 and loved how good the music in particular sounded, but the space limitations make that understandable. Here's hoping that won't be necessary, though.
I love Hairy Hen's work, can't wait to hear the new version.
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Undead PixelStarThoughts said:
Harmy said:
Depending on how much space will be needed for the extras, I might actually only include the three '77 mixes in lossless.
That would be disappointing, as I had synched the lossless '85 track to v.2.0 and loved how good the music in particular sounded, but the space limitations make that understandable. Here's hoping that won't be necessary, though.
I love Hairy Hen's work, can't wait to hear the new version.
Why not do a BD-50 setup then?
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Han D. SoloBecause BD50s are expensive as f*ck and uploading and downloading 50GB is no joy either.
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Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!
nos402
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So how do most of you view these files? Burn to DVD? Just put the AVCHD files on a flash drive? Convert them to something else and put them on a flash drive?
I have a USB flash drive I was planning to be my dedicated home for them but just am not sure of the best way of going about it to maximize the chances of it playing back on various systems (like if I take it to my friend's house).
I would like to keep it as high quality as possible.
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Han D. SoloDepending on the size of your drive - if you it's large enough, you don't need to transcode but I'd recommend remuxing to mkv - it is more widely supported than m2ts. The surest way is of course to burn to DVD, which will then play in most BD players.
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Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!
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^ what he said. Mkv transcode will not lose quality..Personally, I do the disc route, and play via htpc / 360 @ home. Once we go with bd, I plan on keeping original stuff, an mkv, an a bd for ps3 / blu ray player @ gf's place :) ...she has seen most of 2.0, but I'm waiting for 2.1 on bd so we can watch all 3 (the other two are obviously avchd) :) ..I don't mind keeping different formats, as this is some worthy material ;)
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Is there a free tool to do this? I saw MakeMKV suggested but I know that's a shareware )pay after 30 days). I'm not opposed to paying for good software but not for something I will probably use once or maybe twice.
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Han D. SoloPennsylvania Jones said:
"Stick and Stones will break my bones but the Blu-Rays will never Harmy."
Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!
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Harmy said:
This ^
Alternate link:
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVtoolnix
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@ nos402
MakeMKV isn't shareware. It's in Beta and has been for a long time. While it's in Beta it's free.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MakeMKV
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Heisenberg for PrincipalFreaQ said:
For everybody interested and for the future Harmy BR here are the chapters.
I started making a text file to mux these in, but they must be SE chapters; they go out of whack around Jabba's removal. Can anyone point me to GOUT chapter times or recommend an easy way to extract them?
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Undead PixeldoubleKO said:
FreaQ said:
For everybody interested and for the future Harmy BR here are the chapters.
I started making a text file to mux these in, but they must be SE chapters; they go out of whack around Jabba's removal. Can anyone point me to GOUT chapter times or recommend an easy way to extract them?
Well the 2.0 had chapter breaks on it
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Heisenberg for PrincipalHey, so it does. That will probably suffice :)
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@ nos402
MakeMKV isn't shareware. It's in Beta and has been for a long time. While it's in Beta it's free.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MakeMKV
Oh! When I selected the index file it said it was SharewareI had 30 days to evaluate it before purchasing an activation key and asked did I want to start my 30 day trial period.
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nos402 said:
@ nos402
MakeMKV isn't shareware. It's in Beta and has been for a long time. While it's in Beta it's free.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MakeMKV
Oh! When I selected the index file it said it was SharewareI had 30 days to evaluate it before purchasing an activation key and asked did I want to start my 30 day trial period.
Ok it looks like I figured out the whole shareware deal. It's freeware for DVD and AVCHD functionality but not for Blu Rays; they're shareware only:
The changes that George Lucas has made over the years to Star Wars is the equivalent of someone keying your car. On an intellectual level, you know that the car still works, and its only marred a fraction of a percent of the paintjob. On an emotional level, every time you see it, it's all you can focus on, and it makes you want to rip someone's face off.
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Thanks so much for all the help and patience with people new to this stuff like me.
A couple of questions that I'm wondering about:
I successfully used MakeMKV to convert SW 2.1 to an MKV but when I play it, it defaults to subtitles on. Is this set within the DVD info itself or is this an anomaly?
I also don't know what all the different audio tracks are (5 say DD 2/0, 1 says DD 2/0 and doesn't seem to have any audio, and 1 says DD 1.0 English, and the default for me is DD 3/2+1 English). Is the default designated in the disc itself, as in the audio track Harmy designated as the default?
And the biggest problem, ESB and RotJ won't convert. They start converting but after a few seconds I get a popup that just says "Copy complete. 0 titles saved, 1 failed."
EDIT: MKVNixTools seems to be getting the job done on ESB and RotJ. I'll check them tomorrow.
If there is a more appropriate place for me to ask this stuff, just let me know and I'll take it there! Again, thanks for the hand holding and patience.