Laserschwert said:

The comparison looks great, except for two bits:

1-40-30/1-40-32 - that one looks more detailed in the 2.0 version (look at Luke's hair, for example).

That's on purpose to make the transition to the GOUT shot less jarring and in movement it really works pretty well. In v2.0 I tried graining those shots up instead but that didn't really work.

1-25-26/1-25-42 - is there a reason why the second shot doesn't use the cleaner and more detailed matte painting of the first shot?

msycamore said:

I would guess he wanted to make a really faithful recreation, even if the same matte painting was used for both shots, the results were not the same, one of them didn't come out looking that well in the original film.

Exactly.

Holy shit Harmy, that's some mighty impressive work! Beautiful job on the colors, didn't think it was even possible to repair them that well, incredible.

Thanks :-)

I don't want to give you more work but one tiny, tiny observation; there was two wires that was eliminated against the sky in the SE, above the left stormtroopers head in pic 0-53-09-06. I don't think anyone will miss them but I just thought I would mention it just in case you didn't know about it and want to work your magic on it in the future.

If I ever do another version, I'll look into it :-)

Fireproof710 said:

How did you do the dust removal? Manually or did you use something like PFClean?

No, manually, frame by frame, spot by spot - I missed some here and there but it really improves the over-all look of those shots.

chyron8472 said:

Which of these two looks better?

The bottom one's a bit better, I think. But I'm sorry to say I don't think this looks at all official, which as you say was your goal. I don't mean to be mean, just my opinion. But the important thing is that you like it after all :-)

Mavimao said:

The changes look great, although I also noticed that the shots of luke during his conversation with Leia in the rebel hanger ("Oh I thought he'd change his mind...") were much softer in 2.1.

Those are the shots Laserswert was talking about (see my answer above).

I also wanted to ask what made you change your mind with the color timing? 2.0 was supposedly based off the technicolor prints, and you were very adament about the overall greeness to the film and the brightness in the scene where obi wan appears. Why the change of heart? Was the technicolor not that reliable of a source?

The greenness is still very much there, it was just dialed down in a few places where I took it too far before. As to the Obi-Wan scene, I changed my mind, because I got a chance to see another low fade print, where it looked more like in v2.1, so it does seem that the Tech prints aren't the be-all-end-all color reference, so in v2.1 I cut myself some slack - it's still very acurate to the Tech print - in some cases even more so (like the lightsabre scenes for example) but I did pull back on religiously sticking to the print a tiny little bit.

SpilkaBilka said:

CatBus said:

Space Kaijuu said:

Will the Blu-Ray version of 2.1 have the 1985 laserdisc remix?

We are trying to package this up for Harmy ATM.  I'm hopeful.

Awesome, glad to hear it.  How's that going?  Been away the last few days, haven't been keeping up with this or the 1985 thread.  Thanks so much for your efforts, and I'm sorry I have absolutely no skills to contribute to this!  :)

This is done now, and I've sent Harmy a link.  DTS-MA lossless stereo FWIW.

CatBus said:

SpilkaBilka said:

CatBus said:

Space Kaijuu said:

Will the Blu-Ray version of 2.1 have the 1985 laserdisc remix?

We are trying to package this up for Harmy ATM.  I'm hopeful.

Awesome, glad to hear it.  How's that going?  Been away the last few days, haven't been keeping up with this or the 1985 thread.  Thanks so much for your efforts, and I'm sorry I have absolutely no skills to contribute to this!  :)

This is done now, and I've sent Harmy a link.  DTS-MA lossless stereo FWIW.

Awesome, you are the best.  Thank you so much for doing this.  And thank you to Molly and those who contributed to get this done.

mindofone said:

And so Han Solo still has his purple pants at the end? I thought Verta pretty well corrected that, and showed how he did it, no?

 

I don't know where Mike "fixed" that and what it has to do with this version but, no, he doesn't - he has navy blue pants, actually quite a bit less purple than on the IB print, now that I'm looking at it.

Harmy said:

mindofone said:

And so Han Solo still has his purple pants at the end? I thought Verta pretty well corrected that, and showed how he did it, no?

 

I don't know where Mike "fixed" that and what it has to do with this version but, no, he doesn't - he has navy blue pants, actually quite a bit less purple than on the IB print, now that I'm looking at it.

Harmy, I think he's referring to the video that Mike posted on his forum where he color-corrected that shot from the blu-ray.

Just looked at the 2.0 vs 2.1 comparison.  Amazing improvements everywhere, Harmy!  Thank you so much for putting in so much great work.

One thing I noticed though- in a couple frames of 2.1, it looks like small amounts of the left and right side of the screen are cut off.  Maybe this is due to different framing/resizing you've done, or maybe it's something unique to how you captured the frames for the comparison.

I noticed this in frames 1-42-20-10 and 1-42-28-22.  When you switch between 2.0 and 2.1 you can see a black stripe appear on the right side of the screen, cutting off edges of the X-Wings.  On the left side of the screen, a black stripe cuts through some stars in 1-42-20-10, and Yavin in 1-42-28-22.

Harmy said:

I should be uploading the AVCHD tomorrow :-)

Now of course I'm wondering if Chewtobacca will downscale the AVCHD to DVD or if he'll wait for the Blu-ray...

INv8r_ZIM said:

Ginge said:

Guspaz said:

A theatrical release of Phantom Menace seems like a waste of Harmy's considerable talents. Getting to see Jar Jar in all his theatrical glory is not something I particularly feel a need to do :P

 

I couldn't agree more, a theatrical Phantom Menace is a complete waste of time. You can't polish a turd... the prequels are garbage and should be forgotten. 

In both of your opinions, of course, you forgot to say.  I'll go OT for a second while we wait for updates from Harmy, and understand you're getting to stand in for a whole bunch of people here.  As I get older I find this to be the single most depressing part of the internet; when people get to be utterly anonymous and never have to actually face the people they speak at, they have no problem making sweeping generalizations, using insane rhetoric, acting as if their opinion were fact, and treating anyone who disagrees with them like a drooling moron, clearly not up to their intellectual level. 

In any event, don't worry, I'll make sure to tell my kids, who enjoy AotC and RotS, how wrong and stupid they are because the films are garbage without any merit at all.

Well this thread sure got interesting all of the sudden. :p

Yeah, I've seen that - I think the second image isn't really sourced from the BD at all, or at least its colors. That's what I'm always talking about that you can't quite get the BD to look the same as the IB print. But every time I feel frustrated that I can't get the colors quite right, I compare what I'd done to the BD and that relieves the pain :-D

SpilkaBilka said:

 

One thing I noticed though- in a couple frames of 2.1, it looks like small amounts of the left and right side of the screen are cut off.  Maybe this is due to different framing/resizing you've done, or maybe it's something unique to how you captured the frames for the comparison.

I noticed this in frames 1-42-20-10 and 1-42-28-22.  When you switch between 2.0 and 2.1 you can see a black stripe appear on the right side of the screen, cutting off edges of the X-Wings.  On the left side of the screen, a black stripe cuts through some stars in 1-42-20-10, and Yavin in 1-42-28-22.

Yeah, I did that in more shots - it is to cover up some artifacts that appear on the sides - you'd likely never notice it without a direct comparison like this and it is something that quite commonly appears even in professional transfers.

Harmy said:

Mavimao said:

The changes look great, although I also noticed that the shots of luke during his conversation with Leia in the rebel hanger ("Oh I thought he'd change his mind...") were much softer in 2.1.

Those are the shots Laserswert was talking about (see my answer above).

I also wanted to ask what made you change your mind with the color timing? 2.0 was supposedly based off the technicolor prints, and you were very adament about the overall greeness to the film and the brightness in the scene where obi wan appears. Why the change of heart? Was the technicolor not that reliable of a source?

The greenness is still very much there, it was just dialed down in a few places where I took it too far before. As to the Obi-Wan scene, I changed my mind, because I got a chance to see another low fade print, where it looked more like in v2.1, so it does seem that the Tech prints aren't the be-all-end-all color reference, so in v2.1 I cut myself some slack - it's still very acurate to the Tech print - in some cases even more so (like the lightsabre scenes for example) but I did pull back on religiously sticking to the print a tiny little bit.

OK, I had assumed that a softer image was used to better blend the different sources in that sequence.

In regards to the color timing, I think you made the wiser decision. I found the Obi Wan shot in 2.0 very jarring when I first saw it, but respected your wish to leave it since that was the way it was on the IB print.

I am just happy that the LLP had a different take on that shot - because it just looks SO much better.

My girlfriend has been nagging for almost a year that we should watch some SW and i've told  her to relax untill this sweet jewel was released. Really happy to see that its finally coming! Too bad the GF kicked me out last month.. 

Still I won't let that ruin this glorious experience for me! :)

Does one dare to ask for a spleen-acount around here nowadays?

 

Sad story, bro.