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reave's avatar
HBO Star Wars preservations

Growing up a huge Star Wars fan, I was of course beside myself when HBO started airing Star Wars. I would basically leave HBO on all the time, and the second I heard the Fox fanfare, I would run into the living room, hoping and praying I would see "A LUCASFILM LIMITED Production". More often than not, I was disappointed, as it wasn't Star Wars playing, but when it was, anything I was doing or had planned to do that day came to a screeching halt, and I would again be absorbed into the adventures of Luke Skywalker. 

Then we got a VCR, and everything changed. I made a copy of Star Wars, and to this day I have no idea how it survived the amount of times it was played. Later on, 

When the LaserDiscs Came out, I promptly bought those and my SW tapes were filed away. 

Recently, having been assaulted with the shiny, new and "improved" Star Wars, I have been craving a way to watch Star Wars that truly takes me back to the "good old days". 

So long story short, I'm trying to find a copy of the original HBO airing of Star Wars, as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESg_adb6sJE

I've already asked the uploader if still has a copy, but he informed me that his copy has been tossed, minus a copy he made of the intro. 

I ran across my VHS tapes recently, but unfortunately I had taped my LaserDiscs over the original taping. 

Does anyone have a copy of this?

If I can't find a real copy of this, i'm considering making a recreation of it, with a copy of the intro, and a time appropriate version of SW, adding some old VHS effects.

Does anyone know which version might have played on HBO? I would assume that it would have been one of the same prints that made its way onto a VHS or LD version.

FE<3OT

Molly's avatar
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Would be the initial, pre-1985 home video P&S master, not?

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

reave's avatar
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One would think, but I honestly have no clue.

FE<3OT

TServo2049's avatar
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Judging from the YouTube clip reave provided, HBO ran the time-compressed version that was on the '82 LD and CED releases.

Last edited on October 4, 2011 at 5:01 AM by TServo2049
TServo2049's avatar
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Interesting, because that clip on YouTube definitely has higher-pitched audio. I'm not doubting you, of course.

Darth Mallwalker's avatar
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From the Wayback machine:

davisdvd.com said:


What You Didn't Know: Despite popular belief, this was not the only transfer made of Star Wars. At some point, a second fullscreen video transfer was created from a 16mm flat print source. Since an anamorphic (2.35:1) 35mm print had been reduced down to a flat (1.33:1) 16mm print, this 16mm source featured different pan & scan decisions made during the print reduction. One main difference in this transfer was that Luke's macrobinocular POV shot of the Banthas was squeezed to actually show the Tusken Raider walking to the side of the frame. This video transfer was only shown on HBO and was never offered for sale or rent [ Special Thanks to David C. Fein ]


I'll point out that Mr. Fein has been wrong before, in particular regarding the Mitsubishi SWE's shrinking ratio.
I've no evidence to doubt him on this HBO story though.

Last edited on October 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM by Darth Mallwalker (Reason: Wayback URL)

However, in practice you must take into account the "fuckwit factor". Just talk to Darth Mallwalker...
-Moth3r

msycamore's avatar
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SilverWook said:

I've not seen the squeezed macrobinocular shot in any of the early home video transfers, only in the "HBO version". 

That shot is squeezed in the transfer used for the '82 CED and LD release, the '82 tapes and later Pan & Scan releases used a different transfer. So the info Mallwalker provided is probably true aside from the part that it wasn't offered for sale, the HBO broadcast would be interesting to have preserved as the CED and LD's were time-compressed.

Last edited on October 4, 2011 at 12:04 PM by msycamore

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

reave's avatar
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silverwook, i have a way oof getting the full intro in dvd quality. It will cost a little money, but I'm willing to pay it if you think you can get me a copy of your betamax version.

 

FE<3OT

russs15's avatar
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SilverWook said:

I've not seen the squeezed macrobinocular shot in any of the early home video transfers, only in the "HBO version".

Thanks for finding that. :)

I too have seen this shot on my 1988 PAL VHS. as discussed here http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/PAL-VHS-Archive-Collection/topic/3829/  in posts 8 and 10. The pictures are long gone. Sorry. In fact I have seen 3 versions of this shot, a slice in the middle of the screen, a slice to left or right and the squeezed shot discussed here in this thread.

Similarly, I did a screenshot page to highlight changes in another shot of Fullscreen releases  http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/gtf/swfull.html

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TV's Frink's avatar
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Hey, I remember when I thought NNtN was funny!

reave's avatar
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SilverWook said:

Wish I still had a copy of this. Would make for a great cover?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb4PBYQdJbs

 

That would make a great cover. If a high res can't be found, it wouldn't be too hard to replicate. 

Need a preservation to wrap it around first though :)

FE<3OT

wwdarth's avatar
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I remember watching Star Wars on PRISM, a defunct pay service back in the day.  My grandmother had HBO.  Neither channel showed the same transfer as the FOX video version...which was definitely the version shown on CBS. I can't confirm if it was a 16mm transfer, but I watched my VHS transfer a hundred times as a kid and it was definitely not the home video version.

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msycamore said:

SilverWook said:

I've not seen the squeezed macrobinocular shot in any of the early home video transfers, only in the "HBO version". 

That shot is squeezed in the transfer used for the '82 CED and LD release, the '82 tapes and later Pan & Scan releases used a different transfer. So the info Mallwalker provided is probably true aside from the part that it wasn't offered for sale, the HBO broadcast would be interesting to have preserved as the CED and LD's were time-compressed.

I cannot confirm the 82 CED but have checked and agree with the above. I have also checked my PAL VHS tapes and the 82, 88 and 89 versions all have the squeezed macrobinocular shot - BUT - they too are at PAL speed which is equivalent to the time-compressed NTSC versions....

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msycamore's avatar
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davisdvd.com said:


What You Didn't Know: Despite popular belief, this was not the only transfer made of Star Wars. At some point, a second fullscreen video transfer was created from a 16mm flat print source. Since an anamorphic (2.35:1) 35mm print had been reduced down to a flat (1.33:1) 16mm print, this 16mm source featured different pan & scan decisions made during the print reduction. One main difference in this transfer was that Luke's macrobinocular POV shot of the Banthas was squeezed to actually show the Tusken Raider walking to the side of the frame. This video transfer was only shown on HBO and was never offered for sale or rent [ Special Thanks to David C. Fein ]

When reading this again, it doesn't seem to be correct. From what I have seen the '82 HBO/CED/LD transfer was made from the same source that the other pan & scan transfers - '82 US Betamax/VHS and '85 LD was made from. The same ugly splices, glue marks and damage can be found on them even though the transfers are different with its different pan & scan decisions and framing. It seems all video transfers from '82 to '89/'92 was made from the same IP/source until they digged up a different IP in '92, this one seems to have first been used on the '92 Special Letterbox Collector's Edition VHS then later used for the '93 SWE LD (technidisc), '93 Definitive Collection and '95 Faces.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

reave's avatar
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Fingers crossed that your tape looks decent, but even if it doesn't, I would still like to make a preservation disc of it.

FE<3OT

msycamore's avatar
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SilverWook said:

How does the pan and scan process actually work? I can't recall reading anything that went into the nuts and bolts of the process. Are shots panned and scanned during the transfer process or after?

I have no idea how it really worked, sometimes the operator was even forced to make new cuts in the middle of a scene instead of panning back and forth between the important sections of the action, IIRC it happens several times in the SW transfers.

reave said:

Fingers crossed that your tape looks decent, but even if it doesn't, I would still like to make a preservation disc of it.

If the version aired on HBO really is the one used on the LD's and CED, you could maybe take use of those if you want better quality for the main feature. Like russs15 described, time-compressed meant it was just sped up by 4% just like PAL-speedup, so I think a simple conversion should do the trick.

Last edited on October 7, 2011 at 7:27 AM by msycamore

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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