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RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?art=part&x=520&y=270&action=1&image=4&hd_multiID=1303&cap1=28532&cap2=28516&disc1=3100&disc2=3099&lossless=#vergleich 

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borisanddoris' avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

Critics be damned, I went ahead and sync'd the mono from the earlier Blu-ray to the new 35th disc.  It appears to be a perfect match...no delays or re-syncing needed.

I'm still interested in a LPCM preservation of the Criterion LD.  It still sounds better, but this will do!

"Alright twinkle-toes, what's your exit strategy?"

_,,,^..^,,,_'s avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

...it seems that I'm forced not only to color regrading the movie, but also to capture and sync the laserdisc PCM audio... OK, if I'm forced to... (^^,)

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Turisu's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

...it seems that I'm forced not only to color regrading the movie, but also to capture and sync the laserdisc PCM audio... OK, if I'm forced to... (^^,)

 

I doubt a simple regrading will do it. If you look at this shot:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=3099&disc2=3100&cap1=28516&cap2=28532&art=full&image=4&hd_multiID=1303&action=1&lossless=#vergleich

That's not just a color timing difference; those trees on the right have had the green leaves digitally changed to bright orange.

Stamper's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

Hey man, piece of cake. This is the shot adjusted ie new remastered transfer with proper Adam Adams, THX, Cundey approved, 1999 color timing.

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/455072halloweenremasteradjusted.jpg

Of course this is an exact replica so the timing is a bit white hot and you loose the clouds in the sky. But just to show you with minimal adjustment, you can blend both together, just like one should for Mad Max 2 ugly colors on Blu.

Color match anyone?

Revenge of the correctly color timed Michael Meyers

edit: and here's a comparison for you 

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/43248

 

Last edited on October 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM by Stamper
Turisu's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

That looks more like the old Bluray than the THX DVD. The trees in your shot are still green, albeit a more orangey green, but definitely not bright radioactive orange like in the THX.

Personally I can't stand the THX DVD's digitally tweaked look. I'm just making the point that there was more than simple color regrading that went into making it look that way.

Stamper's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

The DVD colors are bound to offer less general colors, and less details (ie variations in colors) because of the narrower gamut range. I think it maybe that with the precedent Blu-ray, they tried to reproduce (but failed) the THX DVD colors.

A also think the source is the exact same IP and not a negative.

Flexicon9's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing
Looks great Stamper.  Again, no one said it had to be perfectly timed to please everybody.  I really like what you did there because it's warmer and that's the spirit of the project.  That's the general idea anyway for fans of the THX version.  Now add that look to stronger blue nights throughout the film and I'd be more than pleased.  The original Blu-ray leaned more towards this look, yes, but it wasn't quite there in my opinion.  Far better than the muted look of the 35th for those of us who prefer stronger colors in Halloween.
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RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

The problem with the tweaked shot is the sky is now completely blown out. No clouds are visible. 

To re-create the 99 color timing one would have to be insanely careful and have damn fine color grading skills. There is almost no data to work with when dealing with 4:2:0 compressed imagery.

_,,,^..^,,,_'s avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

Here you are my attempt, in comparison with Stamper's - just to show that our results are really similar (click for original version):

clouds are back, trees are more orange but still not like the DVD...

Last edited on October 3, 2013 at 10:39 PM by _,,,^..^,,,_ (Reason: link added)

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ray_afraid's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

^I think you forgot the link! I'd love to see it though!

I can testify to the new BD being more in line with the theatrical and early home releases of the film, but I love the '99 color timing. I remember the first time I watched the '99 version (around 2000/2001) and was I just blown away. It really gives the film the feeling of fall in the mid-west (except that it's still clearly California) and the night scenes really feel creepier.

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RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

Turisu said:

Personally I can't stand the THX DVD's digitally tweaked look. I'm just making the point that there was more than simple color regrading that went into making it look that way.

I don't think there was any magic involved, this fella over at horrordvds: http://www.horrordvds.com/vb3forum/showthread.php?t=44865&page=17

managed to approximate the look by simply adjust the yellow color channel.

As you can see, it can easily be accomplished without isolating specific sections of the original image if that's the look you want.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

_,,,^..^,,,_'s avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

This result is excellent, but I don't think a single adjustment will be right for the whole movie; more tests should be done on different shots to prove if that technique will work.

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msycamore's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

This result is excellent, but I don't think a single adjustment will be right for the whole movie; more tests should be done on different shots to prove if that technique will work.

Yes, you can obviously forget one single adjustment for the whole film. The point was, there's no isolated manipulation of the image in the THX release to get those colors which some people seems to think.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

Asaki's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

Well it just wouldn't be a BluRay if the blues in the picture weren't cranked way up (in the daytime scenes) =) Look at the interior car shot, the reds of the car are way too purple.

Though a simple switch to the "warm" setting on ones TV might be enough to fix it.

To help the analysis further, take a look at these close ups of Obi-Wan's beard -- STENDEC

Flexicon9's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing
Wow... those are some good examples of what might be done to strike closer to the THX.  When it comes to the night scenes, one of the strongest blue casts fall over Jamie Lee Curtis when she crosses the street and arrives at the other house where Annie was babysitting.  When she steps up to the porch the shot is deep blue with great shadow.  It's a perfect illustration of how the THX night scenes add great atmosphere with its particular choice and intensity of color.
Flexicon9's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

2007 BD

http://i42.tinypic.com/beynuc.jpg

 

'99 THX DVD

http://i41.tinypic.com/qyilic.jpg

 

Last edited on October 4, 2013 at 5:28 AM by Flexicon9
Flexicon9's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

2007 BD

http://i39.tinypic.com/2eojl2g.jpg

 

'99 THX DVD

http://i41.tinypic.com/280rx5l.jpg

Stamper's avatar
RE: HALLOWEEN - Fixing the audio and re-creating 1999 color timing

I like your version pussy cat. Mine was just quickly made to show you could approximate that look. I didn't mean to do it on the whole movie, just to support anyone who will.

It's true the new version ruins the use of shadows in the film, which the 99 DVD gets right.

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