Hey, it's me. said:

imperialscum said:

Diego said:

Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke's plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I've never been able to make any sense of the plan.

Here is how I see it. First he sent Lando to infiltrate and get familiar with Jabba's habits. He found out that Jabba care about his rancor and that his worst punishment is throwing people into Sarlacc pit. So Killing his rancor would ensure "Sarlacc". Luke knew he couldn't defeat all the thugs and bounty hunters packed together in Jabba's palace so he intended to confine them to the sail barge through "Sarlacc punishment". In order to guarantee Solo will be part of the punishment, Luke sent Leia and Cheewie to melt him out of the carbon. He knew he would be stripped of his lightsabre after killing rancor therefore he hid it into R2 so he was able to use it at the Sarlacc pit.

Yes I know this plan could be ruined by a single flaw but still... that is the only reasonable way I can think of.

I understood it this way. Now initially, Lando was sent undercover for reconnaissance. How long he'd been there? Who knows? Now this left Leia, Chewie and the droids. Leia concocts her plan to disguise herself as a BH with the wookie as her captive. And remember, Luke isn't around at this point. So what are they supposed to do? Hang around til he turns up with a plan? They've got to try something. Leia fails which leaves the droids. Luke turns up and gets the SP from the droids of what's been going on and that no one has returned. So Luke devises a plan to send the droids ahead with a message from himself prior to his arrival. Now Jabba being the infamous gangster he is, Luke knows full well his offer will be spurned. So giving R2 the lightsabre is back up. Luke now has full control over his powers and his sabre is a last resort. IF he gets captured lke the others, Jabba will not be in possession of his lightsabre. No one knew how it was going to pan out? That's ridiculous. It was a risk which had to be taken. 

I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Through the Force, Luke saw the future. He saw how everything was going to go down, and sent in everyone as his vision dictated. The only thing that he was unsure of was how Jabba would react to his offer, as Jabba is the only being there who can thwart Luke's power. When Jabba sentences them to the Sarlacc, you can see Luke nodding as if remembering his vision. At this point, he knows that nothing will prevent Jabba's death, as he is simply acting out his vision of the future as seen through the Force. The fact that everything works out in the end simply means that Luke trusts the Force.

NeverarGreat said:

Hey, it's me. said:

imperialscum said:

Diego said:

Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke's plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I've never been able to make any sense of the plan.

Here is how I see it. First he sent Lando to infiltrate and get familiar with Jabba's habits. He found out that Jabba care about his rancor and that his worst punishment is throwing people into Sarlacc pit. So Killing his rancor would ensure "Sarlacc". Luke knew he couldn't defeat all the thugs and bounty hunters packed together in Jabba's palace so he intended to confine them to the sail barge through "Sarlacc punishment". In order to guarantee Solo will be part of the punishment, Luke sent Leia and Cheewie to melt him out of the carbon. He knew he would be stripped of his lightsabre after killing rancor therefore he hid it into R2 so he was able to use it at the Sarlacc pit.

Yes I know this plan could be ruined by a single flaw but still... that is the only reasonable way I can think of.

I understood it this way. Now initially, Lando was sent undercover for reconnaissance. How long he'd been there? Who knows? Now this left Leia, Chewie and the droids. Leia concocts her plan to disguise herself as a BH with the wookie as her captive. And remember, Luke isn't around at this point. So what are they supposed to do? Hang around til he turns up with a plan? They've got to try something. Leia fails which leaves the droids. Luke turns up and gets the SP from the droids of what's been going on and that no one has returned. So Luke devises a plan to send the droids ahead with a message from himself prior to his arrival. Now Jabba being the infamous gangster he is, Luke knows full well his offer will be spurned. So giving R2 the lightsabre is back up. Luke now has full control over his powers and his sabre is a last resort. IF he gets captured lke the others, Jabba will not be in possession of his lightsabre. No one knew how it was going to pan out? That's ridiculous. It was a risk which had to be taken. 

I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Through the Force, Luke saw the future. He saw how everything was going to go down, and sent in everyone as his vision dictated. The only thing that he was unsure of was how Jabba would react to his offer, as Jabba is the only being there who can thwart Luke's power. When Jabba sentences them to the Sarlacc, you can see Luke nodding as if remembering his vision. At this point, he knows that nothing will prevent Jabba's death, as he is simply acting out his vision of the future as seen through the Force. The fact that everything works out in the end simply means that Luke trusts the Force.

Hmm I like to think Luke turned up and decided to take a risk seeing as though everything else had failed. Not that Leia, Chewy getting captured were conducive to his 'grand plan' as seen through the force. Remember he wasnt a Jedi at that point, no matter what he thought (as Yoda later told him) 

I'd say that the "gift" of the droids preceding Leia & Chewie's arrival contradicts that pretty well.

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

NeverarGreat said:

Hey, it's me. said:

imperialscum said:

Diego said:

Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke's plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I've never been able to make any sense of the plan.

Here is how I see it. First he sent Lando to infiltrate and get familiar with Jabba's habits. He found out that Jabba care about his rancor and that his worst punishment is throwing people into Sarlacc pit. So Killing his rancor would ensure "Sarlacc". Luke knew he couldn't defeat all the thugs and bounty hunters packed together in Jabba's palace so he intended to confine them to the sail barge through "Sarlacc punishment". In order to guarantee Solo will be part of the punishment, Luke sent Leia and Cheewie to melt him out of the carbon. He knew he would be stripped of his lightsabre after killing rancor therefore he hid it into R2 so he was able to use it at the Sarlacc pit.

Yes I know this plan could be ruined by a single flaw but still... that is the only reasonable way I can think of.

I understood it this way. Now initially, Lando was sent undercover for reconnaissance. How long he'd been there? Who knows? Now this left Leia, Chewie and the droids. Leia concocts her plan to disguise herself as a BH with the wookie as her captive. And remember, Luke isn't around at this point. So what are they supposed to do? Hang around til he turns up with a plan? They've got to try something. Leia fails which leaves the droids. Luke turns up and gets the SP from the droids of what's been going on and that no one has returned. So Luke devises a plan to send the droids ahead with a message from himself prior to his arrival. Now Jabba being the infamous gangster he is, Luke knows full well his offer will be spurned. So giving R2 the lightsabre is back up. Luke now has full control over his powers and his sabre is a last resort. IF he gets captured lke the others, Jabba will not be in possession of his lightsabre. No one knew how it was going to pan out? That's ridiculous. It was a risk which had to be taken. 

I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Through the Force, Luke saw the future. He saw how everything was going to go down, and sent in everyone as his vision dictated. The only thing that he was unsure of was how Jabba would react to his offer, as Jabba is the only being there who can thwart Luke's power. When Jabba sentences them to the Sarlacc, you can see Luke nodding as if remembering his vision. At this point, he knows that nothing will prevent Jabba's death, as he is simply acting out his vision of the future as seen through the Force. The fact that everything works out in the end simply means that Luke trusts the Force.

That makes things boring, IMO.

 

Precisely. And if Luke was 'supposedly' unsure how Jabba would react to his offer then how could his force vision of the future be accurate and play out how he had seen? Explaining things like this with the 'it was the will of the force' is a cop out, its utter nonsense. When Yoda tells Luke the "future you will see" its meant in a subjective way. It's not literal and fact. It's what could be. The whole Han rescue was not planned out by Luke from the beginning. I don't buy that for 1 second. Sorry.

SilverWook said:

When universes collide!

And Erin Gray is still a major space babe in my book. ;)

Ditto to that! 

Happy Star Wars day everyone! May the forth be with you all:-)

Yep, it's my daughters 6th birthday today.....my little Star Wars kid

J

Jaitea said:

Yep, it's my daughters 6th birthday today.....my little Star Wars kid

J

Happy Birthday Star Wars Kid! :-)

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So they showed JEDI in hollywood last night and lucasfilm provided a 35mm print of the 97 special edition. 3 years ago Empire was a digital presentation of the DVD version. Progress? (Also, apparently the crowd cheered the ghost Sebastian Shaw)

Baronlando said:

So they showed JEDI in hollywood last night and lucasfilm provided a 35mm print of the 97 special edition. 3 years ago Empire was a digital presentation of the DVD version. Progress? (Also, apparently the crowd cheered the ghost Sebastian Shaw)

That is indeed good news.

Baronlando said:

So they showed JEDI in hollywood last night and lucasfilm provided a 35mm print of the 97 special edition. 3 years ago Empire was a digital presentation of the DVD version. Progress? (Also, apparently the crowd cheered the ghost Sebastian Shaw)

Fantastic. Sounds like a good crowd.

Two case studies for Star Wars from the British Board Of Film Classification.[pdf file]

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