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Better a bad bomb than a bombadwalking_carpet said:
TheBoost said:
Somehow Lucas MADE Bill Moyers interview him and the Smithsonian display his stuff? Or could we look at it as Lucas graciously did those things since he already has the prestige as the director of two of the greatest movies of all time, and the most successful independent filmmaker of all time, and a technological visionary?
And he somehow cleverly manipulated it so that a picture was taken of him and his peers (who he just presented an award with) when they were all together! Scandalous! Damn tricky apologists! This is unheard of!!!!!!
true, he didn't force anyone to do those things, but he knew it would make him look good. I'll admit, I thought it was cool, especially when the Field Museum opened an exhibit and I was able to see Darth Vader and C-3PO costume.
and to your point that he already had the prestige - yes, but more than he deserved and he milked it. Before the PT, he spent a lot of time talking about myths, kurosawa etc. During the PT, he pushed very hard the angle that 'well, star wars was always lame. they're just dumb kid movies'
for the oscar - i didn't say he staged all that; again, just he knew it would make him look good. and maybe theres are part of me that felt robert deniro should have been there instead and my annoyance showed thru more than I intended.
I dont like saying this about someone. Im not happy to call someone dishonest and deceitful and opportunistic. but thats what he is. There is plenty of evidence of this behavior -the biggest examples are him blathering on and on about how "star wars was actually a large multi-generational saga that I had planned all along." another is "special effects are just tools for telling a story". "Im really an art-house/experimental filmmaker". He didn't misspeak when he said these things. He did it for a good reason.
So I ask the question: other than hiding in a cave, WHAT could Lucas do that could not be interpreted as being a prestige-whore
People at the Oscars look good. When someone makes a musceum display about you you look good. Should Lucas not do these things? Wouldn't you call him bad names if he turned the Smithsonian down?
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star wars fan since age 2TheBoost said:
So I ask the question: other than hiding in a cave, WHAT could Lucas do that could not be interpreted as being a prestige-whorePeople at the Oscars look good. When someone makes a musceum display about you you look good. Should Lucas not do these things? Wouldn't you call him bad names if he turned the Smithsonian down?
At the time, I would have been perplexed. Now, my preference would be to to offer the items and also offer the original films that the smithsonian were honoring - further more, make additional films that don't make a mockery of the OT by putting forth an effort in writing and directing. We don't have that, so from my perspective, it comes of as a crass stunt to generate hype - which lucas likes to claim only 'hollywood suits' resort too. Looking back, it looks like lucas was only interested in the paegentry of it all.
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Jedi Knight@walking_carpet:
Yeah, as far as I can tell Lucas and Scorsese are mainly like friends-of-friends. They didn't go to school together or anything since they were at opposite ends of the country, but they both got famous and started making films at the same time, they crossed paths with some frequency, and they had a lot of mutual friends, namely Coppola and Brian DePalma, so they would always be at the same parties and ceremonies. And, of course, Marcia was Scorsese's editor for most of the 70s, which probably cemented any kind of bond more than anything, even if it brought some level of unspoken tension.
But it's more a professional relationship than a personal friendship. Most people Lucas is linked to are like this, Coppola being the one exception. Even with Spielberg, they were never super close, they just work together. It's not like Spielberg ever visits the Ranch just for a beer with Lucas so they can shoot the shit, it's always for a rough-cut-screening or a script meeting or something. I think rather it's just a case of having a circle of trusted colleagues and when you start getting older you start appreciating these people who have been with you in life through all the years and ups and downs, so even though Lucas and Scorsese were never friends and had totally different lifestyles, there is a certain bond there if anything through sheer time. But yeah, I wouldn't say they are particularly close, they just run in the same social circle and have been around each other a long time.
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star wars fan since age 2thanks zombie
dang...so i guess even spielberg isn't as close as one would think? thought all these guys gave each other profit percentages at one point.
makes me wonder if tarantino and robert rodriguez are not really close friends
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yavasizadoozombie84 said:
You know what's scary? George Lucas considered putting Young Han Solo in Episode III so seriously that he was featured in a draft of the script! And they did concept art!
WTF!! Somehow the retardedness of it all just dawned on me. What the hell went through his head? It says a lot about how Lucas thinks these days.
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likes ice creamzombie84 said:
Even with Spielberg, they were never super close, they just work together. It's not like Spielberg ever visits the Ranch just for a beer with Lucas so they can shoot the shit, it's always for a rough-cut-screening or a script meeting or something...
Spielberg would say otherwise:
On his friendship (described as "best friends") with George Lucas,
SS: George doesn't do text or email ever, I've never received a text or email from George and he's never received one from me. He's a phoner you know, it's all over the telephone or it's in person. So it's either eyes on or it's a telephone call, but it's never texting...You know, you get a phone call and it's like here, (Spielberg slips into George Lucas impression) "Hey Steve. (laughter) What are you doing?" "Oh I'm just sort of sitting around working George, making ten pictures a year as a producer, what are you doing?" "Oh. I don't know." (laughter)...The thing with George, when George and I get on the telephone, I have to clear my morning or my afternoon because we talk for a long long time. The only person I've ever talked to at the length I talk to George, believe it or not, was Stanley Kubrick, back when we were friends in the 80s, but George, you know, we talk about everything, we talk about movies, his projects, my projects, we talk about our families and our friendship and it's an enduring friendship. I met George when he premiered THX at the Royce Hall UCLA/USC Film Festival in 1967 I think it was, so we've known each other for a long time.
I'd say there very close for friends who live in different cities
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Bloody hell, I just had a look on Theforce.net boards...It's worse than I could have imagined...
Whatever people in the SW 'community' may think about the people on here or Save Star Wars or fan editors or whatever, at least they're passionate about something.
Most of the members seem to either a) defend Lucas to the nth degree, regardless of what arguments anyone puts forward or, b) don't give a shit what 'version' is on their DVD shelf at home as long as it has 'Star Wars' printed on the cover.
OK, I admit point a) could be construed as 'passion' but more often than not seems to stem from some sort of blinkered, deluded 'allegiance' to Lucas rather than a personal opinion.
While I'm not surprised in the slightest that the BD set has sold in such vast quantities, I would have hoped more people would have made some sort of stand in favour of waiting for a decent HD version of the OOT.
It's a shame, but there it is...
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Magister Pontifex MaximusFrank Oz is going to tread the boards I notice.
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of Earth.corellian77 said:
xhonzi said:
Yoda must be some kind of galactic match maker...
Actual lol :) Made me visualize Yoda hosting the Dating Game:
Love the suit, somehow very fitting.
Maybe the PT should have featured a pre-80s Yoda this way?
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
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See You, Space Cowboy...
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here's another one.
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Northern Ireland's Star Wars costuming club will again be appearing in W5 (in the Odyssey Arena Belfast) for a couple of days in Oct for the fourth year

They real are pretty good, you can check out W5's site here:
Jeremy Bulloch will be there as well as Femi Taylor (Oola)

It doesn't cost that much to get a flight to Belfast City Airport from Mainland UK & W5 is 10 minutes from airport
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Gwan' Norn Iron!!
On a similarly jubilant note, my 8 year-old son is off to Wexford (SE Irish county) for the weekend equipped with 'the Han Solo films'...Love it...
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Stringer in Space!Here's one for you from the great Shaft Windu over at Blu-ray.com
Nitpicking takes the fun out of what is on the surface a fun-adventure movie. You will always find what you take with you in movies. If you somehow dislike these movies you will always look for and find inconsistencies. You will be even happy to find them and gloat about them because it proves your initial feeling right. But what is to be gained by tearing movies apart in that way. You could do it with every movie by the way... "What is a moisture farmer?" It is never explained in A New Hope! "How did the Empire find the rebels on Hoth?" It was never explained how they managed that! It's just negativity and gains you nothing!
Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.
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Just a simple manBlu-ray.com has either some of the most impressive trolls or the most stupid people I've ever met on the internet.
It's best to take those posts with a lump of salt.
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I am ready for the trials!Somebody went to bathroom during the opening scene?
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Stringer in Space!georgec said:
Blu-ray.com has either some of the most impressive trolls or the most stupid people I've ever met on the internet.
It's best to take those posts with a lump of salt.
Stupid. Trolls are usually smart.
Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.
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Video Editor, Obsessive Fan, and Semi-WeirdoYes... YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
My dad finally agreed with the OT.com rules about piracy. I read him "Notes on Piracy," and said it would be okay if I already owned the movies to download the preservations. I don't know if he had a change of heart, or I misinterpreted him earlier, or anything else. Whatever the case, he's letting me get a preservation.
Now, the thing is, do I need to own the GOUT DVDs to get a preservation, or is the '95 Faces VHS enough? And, with the HD Despecialized Edition ruled out due to the fact that I need those awful Blu-Rays to get them, could I get DJ's V3?

The franchises I get nerdy about are so obscure that not even most nerds know about them.
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Ointment Fly
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of Earth.TV's Frink said:
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dumb
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
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Ointment Flyxhonzi said:
TV's Frink said:
dumb
Don't make Joe Allen Billy Bob Alvarez sit on you.
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Chief Architect of Cynical MoralityI can't believe they put the "First Catch of the Day" guy on there. He had no discernible character traits.xhonzi said:
TV's Frink said:
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dumb
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Better a bad bomb than a bombaddoubleofive said:
I can't believe they put the "First Catch of the Day" guy on there. He had no discernible character traits.
I think that's the joke.
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Chief Architect of Cynical MoralityWould you believe that by the time I got down there, I had stopped reading the descriptions and missed the only funny one?TheBoost said:
I think that's the joke.
doubleofive said:
I can't believe they put the "First Catch of the Day" guy on there. He had no discernible character traits.
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I see what you did there.doubleofive said:
Would you believe that by the time I got down there, I had stopped reading the descriptions and missed the only funny one?
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Ointment Flydoubleofive said:
Would you believe that by the time I got down there, I had stopped reading the descriptions and missed the only funny one?TheBoost said:
I think that's the joke.
doubleofive said:
I can't believe they put the "First Catch of the Day" guy on there. He had no discernible character traits.
*sad robot gif*