I agree, I think dark_jedi's latest color adjustment to the V3 GOUT video looks better, more natural. It also restores the overall colors closer to what they should be, since it's obvious more saturation is needed to get the GOUT DVD set closer to the theatrical appearance.

I think some mentioned contrast may also be part of the problem with the colors in the GOUT DVD set. dark_jedi, has that also been adjusted in your latest screen shots?

Too bad we can't correct the flesh tones separately from the colors in the rest of the scenes, that would solve a lot of problems. You could get the flesh tones right, and have free reign to get the colors in the rest of the image adjusted correctly without interfering with the flesh tones. :)

No I did not do any contrast adjustment, just trying to find an all around good fix that looks better than how it looks now as is, I will not do a scene by scene adjustment, that will just take to long and I do not have the patience for that kind of work, but what I have now, at least to me anyways, looks way better than how the "as is" V3 looks now, I could try messing with the contrast a bit and see what happens.

hue(channels="YM", sat=1.25)
hue(channels="B", sat=1.4)

No hue, not even a levels adjustment.  Just stronger blue, and slightly stronger yellow and magenta.

Will post more if you guys like what you see.

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Seconded. I really like DJ's settings, maybe only turn red down a tiny little bit and possibly slightly increase contrast and it would be great.

Chewtobacca said:

I hate to say it after all the work you've been doing, but I can't see much difference and I prefer the GOUT.

That was the point with the last tweak.  People were generally happy with the skin tones (which are largely red on the GOUT discs, with not much room for improvement).

With those settings faces are largely the same, but other colors are brought up.

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This last one take with a grain of salt.  The source frame was from Apt Irrelevance, not directly from the DVD so it isn't exactly how it would look:

Oh and adjusting the blue levels made me think about something for the first time: what the heck did they milk to GET blue milk?  I didn't see any livestock.

DrM are you running your samples through g-force's script or is this just straight GOUT tweaking, because it has to be run through the script to, it may make a difference.

No.  I just finished d/l'ing all the fiters and trying g-force's script for the first time.  I don't see a difference between my color corrections directly to the DVD video and video that has been through the script.

g-force's tweaks just seem to make a cleaner image and make scanning around much slower.

Not knowing sh*t about avisynth, I gave this a shot in photoshop and I don't think any major colour correction can be done with one setting to the whole film, because I tried one shot and the results were pretty good IMO and then when I applied the same settings to a different shot, it looked awful. But both looked better after the initial saturation increase, so maybe just increase the saturation a little bit and leave it at that.

Doctor M said:

Oh and adjusting the blue levels made me think about something for the first time: what the heck did they milk to GET blue milk?  I didn't see any livestock.

Banthas?

Harmy said:

Not knowing sh*t about avisynth, I gave this a shot in photoshop and I don't think any major colour correction can be done with one setting to the whole film, because I tried one shot and the results were pretty good IMO and then when I applied the same settings to a different shot, it looked awful. But both looked better after the initial saturation increase, so maybe just increase the saturation a little bit and leave it at that.

Here are the picture I tried, I think it's pretty self-explanatory but just to make sure:

1) Original GOUT

2) My tweaked version of picture 1

3) Original GOUT

4) Picture 3 tweaked with the exact same settings as 2

5) Picture tweaked with completely different settings

What this tells me is, that this kind of correction would be really time consuming because it would have to be done scene by scene and in many cases shot by shot and that it would be next to impossible to do it with something like avisynth, because you need to keep trying until you're ok with, which is quite time consuming even in photoshop where you can see the results in real time and if you couldn't see the results right away, it would be impossible to do a whole film (well, unless you had five years of free time and a lot of dedication ;-) )

I think I'm getting on board the leave it alone boat.  While they could be better, I think no single settings will make people happy.

The red needs to be left alone or reduced, but then increasing saturation on any other color except blue is going to produce unpleasant skin tones.

I wish the yellows could be improved on (for C3PO and Tatooine scenes), I say just blue or nothing.

As far as Hue, I've got to leave that to someone else with a good eye for colors.  My +5 number was derived from the Technicolor print, but that doesn't mean it will cause the GOUT DVD to produce a pleasant image.

Edit: Okay, looking again, maybe I like my second to last script (compared to a 70mm cell that someone posted.)  I'm pretty much going to just stay out of it for now.

Leonardo said:

Doctor M said:

Oh and adjusting the blue levels made me think about something for the first time: what the heck did they milk to GET blue milk?  I didn't see any livestock.

Banthas?

(shudder)

Okay, THIS is really my penultimate version before giving up. ;-)

Different hue changes RYG than BC.  Still no level adjustments.   Reduced red, green and cyan, boosted yellow, strongly boosted blue, and magenta is unchanged.

Will post more shots or a clip on request.

Doctor M said:

I think no single settings will make people happy.

I am beginning to agree with you.

dark_jedi said:

Doctor M said:

I think no single settings will make people happy.

I am beginning to agree with you.

Yours comes close DJ.

dark_jedi: The latest version of your color correction is looking good, maybe a tad red on the flesh tones, but not too much. And it brings the other colors closer

Can you post screen shots comparing that with shots from your master .avi file from the GOUT? Shots with Luke, Han, Leia, C-3P0 and R2-D2 in the corridor of the ship, uncle Owen, aunt Beru and maybe some shots of the rebels and Imperial officers onboard the rebel blockade runner ship would be helpful to see. So we have a direct comparison to the current untouched master .avi and what it would look like with the latest color correction method. Thanks. :)