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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit)
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No, you don’t need a life! You need to continue to comment on my edit; I enjoy it.
Haha. As do I. Let the nerdiness continue...
I agree with this stance on things. See how it works and if it falls flat (I'm thinking it will), go with the lightning. I understand your wanting to 'save' it for RotJ, but it's going to be in RotS anyway. And I am also 100% against Yoda's use of a lightsaber in Episode 2.
Your re-edit of the lightsaber duel sounds great too. Using the "2001" theme might be a little odd though, but go for it and see how it works. And since you need to cutaway from the duel at the beginning, why not keep the Padme/gunship stuff after all? That would be a perfect place for her 'recovery' scene.
How much of the Coruscant Elevator scene are you keeping in? That scene sort of rubs me the wrong way, but I'm not sure if it could be cut without making the characters come from nowhere.
Haha. As do I. Let the nerdiness continue...
I might change this to include the lightning scene with Yoda if the cut winds up with a weak build-up and finale. I don’t know; the lightning with Yoda actually worked really well dramatically. I’ll think long and hard about that one. But I’m sticking to my guns on Yoda with a lightsaber! (in this film, anyway).
I agree with this stance on things. See how it works and if it falls flat (I'm thinking it will), go with the lightning. I understand your wanting to 'save' it for RotJ, but it's going to be in RotS anyway. And I am also 100% against Yoda's use of a lightsaber in Episode 2.
Your re-edit of the lightsaber duel sounds great too. Using the "2001" theme might be a little odd though, but go for it and see how it works. And since you need to cutaway from the duel at the beginning, why not keep the Padme/gunship stuff after all? That would be a perfect place for her 'recovery' scene.
How much of the Coruscant Elevator scene are you keeping in? That scene sort of rubs me the wrong way, but I'm not sure if it could be cut without making the characters come from nowhere.
Yes, all the gundark talk and forced laughter MUST GO. The whole scene doesn't need to be cut though.
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This is merely for the benefit of those who don't know about this, as it seems some here don't:
When 2001 was made, it was completely scored by ... ahh ... lemme find it ... Alex North, and was all done when Kubrick randomly thought, "Hey, I played classical music on the set - I like that better" and went with classical music. North's unused score has since been released. This is probably what Trooperman is talking about.
Onto other things - I agree, and mentioned before, that lightning should not appear in any way, shape, or form until ROTJ. I could never figure out how to make it work until you mentioned it, which works perfectly (as in, getting Anakin out of the fight). I look forward to seeing this edit.
When 2001 was made, it was completely scored by ... ahh ... lemme find it ... Alex North, and was all done when Kubrick randomly thought, "Hey, I played classical music on the set - I like that better" and went with classical music. North's unused score has since been released. This is probably what Trooperman is talking about.
Onto other things - I agree, and mentioned before, that lightning should not appear in any way, shape, or form until ROTJ. I could never figure out how to make it work until you mentioned it, which works perfectly (as in, getting Anakin out of the fight). I look forward to seeing this edit.
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That's some interesting trivia, Ash; I certainly wasn't aware of that. However, based on what Trooper said:
I'm guessing he's going with the famous fanfare.
Also, I'm assuming everyone here has seen the Revenge of the Sith trailer, in which force lighting is shown, well, in full force. So it IS going to be in the saga before RotJ, like it or not, and the way things are set-up in the film it's going to be pretty much impossible to edit out. Therefore, focusing so much on removing it from Episode 2 to 'save' it for RotJ is futile.
Obi-Wan and Anakin enter the room. (first three notes of Space Odyssey theme).
Dooku turns to face them (the two dramatic chords following).
Dooku turns to face them (the two dramatic chords following).
I'm guessing he's going with the famous fanfare.
Also, I'm assuming everyone here has seen the Revenge of the Sith trailer, in which force lighting is shown, well, in full force. So it IS going to be in the saga before RotJ, like it or not, and the way things are set-up in the film it's going to be pretty much impossible to edit out. Therefore, focusing so much on removing it from Episode 2 to 'save' it for RotJ is futile.
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Unless he also removes it from Episode 3...
Which may or may not be feasible.
Which may or may not be feasible.
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Just in regards to the EpIII lightning question; (SPOILERS AHEAD!!)
I don't think it'd be possible. The Yoda/Sidious fight in ROTS is extensive enough that it might be hard to edit out the lightning. However, it may only appear at the beginning of the fight, like Yoda/Dooku in AOTC. Then it would be much easier to remove. I'm quite curious to see how people will approach ROTS when the fan-edits begin for that film.
I don't think it'd be possible. The Yoda/Sidious fight in ROTS is extensive enough that it might be hard to edit out the lightning. However, it may only appear at the beginning of the fight, like Yoda/Dooku in AOTC. Then it would be much easier to remove. I'm quite curious to see how people will approach ROTS when the fan-edits begin for that film.
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Hopefully there won't be a need for fan edits.
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My sentiments exactly Darth Chaltab! However, a lot of fan edits exist as a "series". For example MagFan's set. In order to complete it he may feel obliged to do a fan-edit of Episode III. But, from what I've seen/heard/read I believe that III will be the best of the prequels, the darkest SW film and will (I hope) NOT need fan-edits. But, if they are to be done, I'll be curious as to how people go about different things that were already changed in their edits of ep I & II.
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I have to do a different edit of Episode III, because I need to re-dub Anakin's voice for consistency with Episode II. However, depending on how good it is, that may be the only thing I change.
Good point- but in ROTS, Palpatine uses the lightning, not Dooku. All I care about is that the lightning is restricted to Palpatine. Hopefully, McDiarmid's performance will be good in this next film.
Oh...one more thing. Mace's lightsaber will be blue. With a simple trick in Photoshop, I'm able to change just the blade frame by frame, and then run them at 30 frames/sec. The effect is actually of very high quality (because purple and blue are so much alike), and it looks professional. I'll try to post a couple screenshots shortly.
Whoooooo boy are you wasting your time.
Then I won't go out of my way to get a copy to you when I'm done
Also, I'm assuming everyone here has seen the Revenge of the Sith trailer, in which force lighting is shown, well, in full force. So it IS going to be in the saga before RotJ, like it or not, and the way things are set-up in the film it's going to be pretty much impossible to edit out. Therefore, focusing so much on removing it from Episode 2 to 'save' it for RotJ is futile.
Then I won't go out of my way to get a copy to you when I'm done
Also, I'm assuming everyone here has seen the Revenge of the Sith trailer, in which force lighting is shown, well, in full force. So it IS going to be in the saga before RotJ, like it or not, and the way things are set-up in the film it's going to be pretty much impossible to edit out. Therefore, focusing so much on removing it from Episode 2 to 'save' it for RotJ is futile.
Good point- but in ROTS, Palpatine uses the lightning, not Dooku. All I care about is that the lightning is restricted to Palpatine. Hopefully, McDiarmid's performance will be good in this next film.
Oh...one more thing. Mace's lightsaber will be blue. With a simple trick in Photoshop, I'm able to change just the blade frame by frame, and then run them at 30 frames/sec. The effect is actually of very high quality (because purple and blue are so much alike), and it looks professional. I'll try to post a couple screenshots shortly.
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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...and here they are.
Obviously still testing this out, but it looks like it'll work. It's tough with the dust, though.
Obviously still testing this out, but it looks like it'll work. It's tough with the dust, though.
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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...hmm, I think you need to completely re-rotoscope the lightsaber...what you're doing now doesn't seem to be working...
Also, in regards to EpIII lightning, well...
SPOILERS HEREIN:
Mace is basically killed by Force lightning, so I really don't think that will be feasible.
Also, in regards to EpIII lightning, well...
SPOILERS HEREIN:
Mace is basically killed by Force lightning, so I really don't think that will be feasible.
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Originally posted by: klokwerk
My sentiments exactly Darth Chaltab! However, a lot of fan edits exist as a "series". For example MagFan's set. In order to complete it he may feel obliged to do a fan-edit of Episode III. But, from what I've seen/heard/read I believe that III will be the best of the prequels, the darkest SW film and will (I hope) NOT need fan-edits. But, if they are to be done, I'll be curious as to how people go about different things that were already changed in their edits of ep I & II.
My sentiments exactly Darth Chaltab! However, a lot of fan edits exist as a "series". For example MagFan's set. In order to complete it he may feel obliged to do a fan-edit of Episode III. But, from what I've seen/heard/read I believe that III will be the best of the prequels, the darkest SW film and will (I hope) NOT need fan-edits. But, if they are to be done, I'll be curious as to how people go about different things that were already changed in their edits of ep I & II.
None of the fan edits NEED to be done. That's what fast forward and chapter skip buttons are for.
And Magnolia Fan is planning on re-doing the OT as well. Beyond just restoring the theatrical. He's got a plan to make "his vision" of the Star Wars movies, and that involves re-editing Episodes IV-VI to better fit with his edits of I-III. And he's already got plans on how to edit III before he even sees the movie. At this point, quality of the films really has nothing to do with whether he edits or not.
Plus I think it's silly that fans think they're obligated to finish re-editing someone else's movies just for the sole purpose of completing "a set."
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TrooperMan:
with windu's lightsaber I would suggest using a soft edge with the recoloring area, similar to what Verta did with the green saber fix on the MF.
Or create a new blue blade, slightly bigger, and roto that over it.
with windu's lightsaber I would suggest using a soft edge with the recoloring area, similar to what Verta did with the green saber fix on the MF.
Or create a new blue blade, slightly bigger, and roto that over it.
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what you're doing now doesn't seem to be working...
That's the understatement of the year! I got a good night's sleep last night, looked at my work in the morning, and laughed at how bad it was.
Actually, I was never going to actually get into changing the FX in the first place, because I'm new at it and don't know much about it.
So Mace's saber is probably just going to stay purple.
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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Although I do not have the ability to do a new opening crawl for AOTC at this time, I’ve been trying to come up with a good title for it, should it become possible in the future, or if someone felt obliged to do one for me after the completion of this edit. The title “Dark Force Rising” was suggested previously, but I did some thinking and came up with a few other possiblities:
Dark Side Rising
Shadow of the Dark Side
Attack of the Separatists
Shroud of the Dark Side
Does anyone have any other good ideas (serious ideas)?
Dark Side Rising
Shadow of the Dark Side
Attack of the Separatists
Shroud of the Dark Side
Does anyone have any other good ideas (serious ideas)?
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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The Menacing Phantoms
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SERIOUS ideas
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
The Menacing Phantoms
The Menacing Phantoms
LOL
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
The Menacing Phantoms
The Menacing Phantoms
"The Menacing Phantoms Who Were Attacked By Clones Until the Clones Turned Out to Be Full of Sith"?
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Ok. How about
The Rise of Palpatine?
The Rise of Palpatine?
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How about "Lucas Fails again"? or "The Ruining Of Star Wars Continues" or my favorite " Attack of the Clowns" ? 
but seriously
how bout "The Rise of the Dark Side" or "The Dark Times Begin" or "The Clone War Begins"?
but seriously
how bout "The Rise of the Dark Side" or "The Dark Times Begin" or "The Clone War Begins"?
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What about "Attack of the Killer Clones" or "Twilight"
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Benjamin Kenobi and the Attack of the Diablolical Clones from Jupter!
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Thought of a couple more possible changes for Episode 2:
-The camera pans UP after the opening scroll, while in all the other films it pans DOWN. Would it be possible to flip things in a way the camera could indeed pan down?
-Corde's line "I've failed you" makes no sense. It was pretty much her job to die in Amidala's place, so that should be cut.
-When Padme arrives in Palpatine's office, Yoda tells her "Seeing you alive, brings warm feelings to my heart." Besides just being really awkward, Padme totally ignores him! So that should be cut.
-Also, Padme just comes out and says "I think Count Dooku was behind it." Um...why would she think that? She offers NO motive. Of course this is to set up Count Dooku's character in the absense of the Lost 20 scene (which hopefully Lucas will restore in a future release), so I'm not sure what can be done with this.
Oh, and I reiterate "Dark Force Rising." The Sith are warping the force as the dark side gains more power, Palpatine gets one step closer to Emperor, and the future army of the Empire is created. A perfect title.
-The camera pans UP after the opening scroll, while in all the other films it pans DOWN. Would it be possible to flip things in a way the camera could indeed pan down?
-Corde's line "I've failed you" makes no sense. It was pretty much her job to die in Amidala's place, so that should be cut.
-When Padme arrives in Palpatine's office, Yoda tells her "Seeing you alive, brings warm feelings to my heart." Besides just being really awkward, Padme totally ignores him! So that should be cut.
-Also, Padme just comes out and says "I think Count Dooku was behind it." Um...why would she think that? She offers NO motive. Of course this is to set up Count Dooku's character in the absense of the Lost 20 scene (which hopefully Lucas will restore in a future release), so I'm not sure what can be done with this.
Oh, and I reiterate "Dark Force Rising." The Sith are warping the force as the dark side gains more power, Palpatine gets one step closer to Emperor, and the future army of the Empire is created. A perfect title.
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I think the the Senate scene at the begining should have been kept in. You can always edit it back in and make a few cuts to the Chancelor's office scene that follows it immediately chronologically.
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you could mirror the opening shot, but you couldn't keep the opening crawl.
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