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Kurgan's avatar
RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

Hope that helps a little... 'n' stuff

 

 

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 4:16 AM by Kurgan
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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

Comment retracted, my sincere apologies Kurgan.

Kurgan's avatar
RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

Someone apologized to me on the internet... wow.

 

I'm speechless.

 

No prob. ;)

Ripplin's avatar
RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

It's not just at zombo.com where you can do anything! :p

Darth Mallwalker's avatar
RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

No JACKET_P folder? Hmmm...

However, in practice you must take into account the "fuckwit factor". Just talk to Darth Mallwalker...
-Moth3r

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EditDroid's 2010 GOUT Restoration

So, I just stumbled across this.  From the NFO:

Editdroid's 3rd version of Star Wars, released 2010.

Sourced from the 2006 DVD, with detail enhancement through Photoshop, burned-in subtitles, apparent grain reduction, anamorphic enhacement, as well the original mono mix plus a custom 5.1 mix done through Pro Tools. Color corrected to more closely match the 1993 Laserdisc (greater mid-range detail, less saturation, slight red shift). Full motion menus. Extras are technical description of capture process. ISO for a dual layered DVD. In my opinion, this is currently the best available version of Star Wars.

Anyone seen this?  Thoughts on it?  Is it better than DarkJedi's GOUT restoration?

I'm particularly intrigued by the 5.1 mix done in ProTools.  I worked with creating 5.1 mixes in ProTools this year in my post-production audio class, and there's a LOT you can do with that program ...

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 8:54 PM by Moth3r
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RE: EditDroid's 2010 GOUT Restoration

ChainsawAsh said:

 Is it better than DarkJedi's GOUT restoration?

 

You really can't just say it is mine LOL, g-force, hairy_hen, satanika, Moth3r, and others helped me make that available, working on version 3 now.

 

 

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 8:55 PM by Moth3r
Judge's avatar
RE: EditDroid's 2010 GOUT Restoration

This might just tempt me to use my last DVD-9 (it's this or ANH:R). Thanks for the info. :D

EDIT: Before I do that, does anyone know what region the DVD is?

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 8:58 PM by Judge

Judge

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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

Region: 1-6,8

However, in practice you must take into account the "fuckwit factor". Just talk to Darth Mallwalker...
-Moth3r

Judge's avatar
RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

So this will work on my UK PS3, then?

Judge

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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

 It should play on a UK PS3.

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 9:50 PM by Chewtobacca
Judge's avatar
RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

Lovely.

Judge

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Ripplin's avatar
RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

Downloading now and getting good speed. Should be done in a few hours. :) (but I will keep seeding)

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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

The extras say it was done in Pro Tools, but people here do the same quality and quantity of work using less professional means. Basically, it's the 2004 5.1 with some custom patches and transitions to make it conform to the GOUT. It doesn't sound like the film did when it came out, obviously, but it's decent IMO, although I haven't actually listened to it full 5.1. Purists will obviously complain about the levels of the 2004 mix, but I don't think it's as bad as they say since most home video mixes have a lot of the same problems with too much low end and bad dynamic range, etc.

The video is NTSC, so if your PS3 can handle NTSC then I guess it will work.

As for "Is it better than DarkJedi's GOUT restoration?" That depends on your tastes. This version has more detail, but also more grain. I like grain, and I felt that some of the AVISynth attempts maybe took out too much (except LFL Pwnage, which maybe could have even gone a little further), and I also like that the colors don't pop as much as there is less saturation (I actually thought the GOUT had the best color levels, but I would prefer less rather than more, as IMO ANH always had a more pastel color scheme). Also, this is dual layered which means there is no compression artifacting, whereas you get the occassional artifacts in DVD-5s. The one area where this version falls behind others is in having little to no anti-aliasing work done, although I don't think the anti-aliasing filters on the other projects ever completely solved the matter. The other ones have the stereo mix AFAIK, which I enjoy the most and miss here. The subtitles for Greedo on this one are technically less accurate in font (going off Puggo's versions anyway) but more pleasing to the eye IMO. So its a bit up to individual preference. 

The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!

"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

zombie84 said:


Also, this is dual layered which means there is no compression artifacting, whereas you get the occassional artifacts in DVD-5s. The one area where this version falls behind others is in having little to no anti-aliasing work done, although I don't think the anti-aliasing filters on the other projects ever completely solved the matter. The other ones have the stereo mix AFAIK, which I enjoy the most and miss here.

Dark_Jedi's GOUT restoration is also a DVD-9 and has 5.1.

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM by TV's Frink
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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

I would listen in mono, though I must say I prefer Beru's voice as I grew up with it. (non-mono mix, that is) She sounds a bit more expressive to me. The mono actress sounds a bit more...calm? I dunno, hard to describe. I'd like to hear the on-set audio someday to hear what her real voice is. Has anyone heard that?

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM by Ripplin
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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

TV's Frink said:

zombie84 said:


Also, this is dual layered which means there is no compression artifacting, whereas you get the occassional artifacts in DVD-5s. The one area where this version falls behind others is in having little to no anti-aliasing work done, although I don't think the anti-aliasing filters on the other projects ever completely solved the matter. The other ones have the stereo mix AFAIK, which I enjoy the most and miss here.

Dark_Jedi's GOUT restoration is also a DVD-9 and has 5.1.

 Ah, cool! I know the LFL Pwnge version was a DVD-5 and had some very subtle compression artifacting in certain shots.

The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!

"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

Ripplin said:

I would listen in mono, though I must say I prefer Beru's voice as I grew up with it. (non-mono mix, that is) She sounds a bit more expressive to me. The mono actress sounds a bit more...calm? I dunno, hard to describe. I'd like to hear the on-set audio someday to hear what her real voice is. Has anyone heard that?

 People tend to assume that the mono is her real voice, but the mono is clearly dubbed. The on-set audio has never surfaced AFAIK.

The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!

"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

zombie84 said:

TV's Frink said:

zombie84 said:


Also, this is dual layered which means there is no compression artifacting, whereas you get the occassional artifacts in DVD-5s. The one area where this version falls behind others is in having little to no anti-aliasing work done, although I don't think the anti-aliasing filters on the other projects ever completely solved the matter. The other ones have the stereo mix AFAIK, which I enjoy the most and miss here.

Dark_Jedi's GOUT restoration is also a DVD-9 and has 5.1.

 Ah, cool! I know the LFL Pwnge version was a DVD-5 and had some very subtle compression artifacting in certain shots.

To be clear, I am a novice when it comes to stuff like subtle compression artifacting.  All I can say is d_j's DVD-9's look good to me, but I ain't no videophile.

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 10:42 PM by TV's Frink
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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

So, does the 5.1 mix, having been sourced from the 2004 mix, have the same surround-channel music swapping issues?

And does anyone know if ESB and ROTJ are in the works?

Ripplin's avatar
RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

zombie84 said:

Ripplin said:

I would listen in mono, though I must say I prefer Beru's voice as I grew up with it. (non-mono mix, that is) She sounds a bit more expressive to me. The mono actress sounds a bit more...calm? I dunno, hard to describe. I'd like to hear the on-set audio someday to hear what her real voice is. Has anyone heard that?

 People tend to assume that the mono is her real voice, but the mono is clearly dubbed. The on-set audio has never surfaced AFAIK.

Yeah, I'm sure many that have heard the mono version for the first time think 'oh, that's what she really sounds like!', but no. :p She has a fairly lengthy resume (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0292235/), but I've still only seen her in Star Wars.

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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

ChainsawAsh said:

So, does the 5.1 mix, having been sourced from the 2004 mix, have the same surround-channel music swapping issues?

Don't quote me on this but I believe the answer is no. The missing music on the X-wing divebomb is definitely there.

Last edited on June 2, 2010 at 10:57 PM by zombie84

The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!

"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

That's good.  If someone else can confirm that the LS/RS music swapping issue is fixed in the 5.1 track, I'll definitely grab this!

Last edited on June 3, 2010 at 6:56 AM by Moth3r (Reason: Custom DVD rule)
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RE: Brand New (not so) Mysterious 720p Anamorphic LD Preservation? (Well, not really...)

Thanks for sharing this, Zombie.

If the source is Gout the different audio tracks available will not be hard to sync up. I also often read or hear people believing the mono mix to be the first original mix done and especially the remark of the Beru voice to be the original one when it was in fact the last made mix to the american release, I believe it was available to the public in June or July '77. A very polished audio track but I've never fallen in love with it. Unnecessary imo.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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