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BarBar Jinkx said:

It make me laugh

 

all the work ady & others have done to correct the colours on the SE & then a mockup like that is posted LOL

There is a difference between adding an element (like a sun through a window or in a shot) and just adding a uniform tint over the whole film which washes out all the colours.

One changes the mood and ambience of a particular scene while the other defuses the information in the entire film.

Ben, Angel and all the other people experimenting in this field are doing just that experimenting and posting the results (which aren't always perfect but illustrate a possibility).

The SE and PT DVDs  were final products from a Hollywood studio, not design concepts.

 

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BarBar Jinkx said:

It make me laugh 

 

all the work ady & others have done to correct the colours on the SE & then a mockup like that is posted LOL

 

looking forward to seeing yours lol

 

i must admit i did get a bit carried away on the tint, i was trying to see how far i could push the heat feel. it would be better if it was kepto to moments within the duel, not the space battle. there were some awesome ideas in ROTS to do with dark/light contrasts, ROTJ should have the same in the duel, as if vader has that choice again, as does luke.

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ben_danger said:

...then maybe seeing a couple of rusty droids in ROTJ:R in his palace would just add an air of rememberance to the whole 1st part of the film, almost like luke is closing the last few loose ends.

I'd love to see this.  I would hope they'd be working units with blaster rifles and not just broken junk in the background.

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Darth Chronus said:

I was thinking that someone should do a mock-up of the Executor being more closer to the Death Star II, with the whole battle raging on right near it. We've seen quite a lot of the Throne Room, though we could do with some more to see which of them are the best :)

Would this quickie be sufficient. Notice the window now has sheilds LOL.

I got the window online and tweaked it a bit. . For the movie someone should just do a new matte.

Now that's what I'm talking about! :D

Great rough outline, and exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. Thanks for the mock-up; and the window 'shield' is a novel approach :)

Maybe one from the Executor looking out at the Death Star II?  (i.e when that Imperial says 'We're not going to attack?')

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Darth Chronus said:

Maybe one from the Executor looking out at the Death Star II?  (i.e when that Imperial says 'We're not going to attack?')

Pic?

Otherwise use of 3d :)

Generally ROTJ has very limited angles of ships. pff...

 

-Angel

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I actually enjoyed the PT tbh. I think being 9 when The Phantom Menace came out has something to do with it. But I do realise that they need colour correcting - the Battle of Geonosis in 'Clones', for example, should look more dirty and not the shade of orange that we see in the film. Story-wise, I liked the prequels; sure some of the acting could have done with some work, but that never really bothered me. But yeah - Jar Jar is lame.

However when I do compare both trilogies, I think that the PT should be more like the OT in terms of colour correction, though the OT should have some cool angles and new shots within it's space battle scenes to match the spectacle of the PT; whilst not over-doing it.

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Ripplin said:

Don't read too much into goofy jokes. ;)

Oh, I wasn't.  I was just trying to build my own goofy joke on top of that. ; )

Darth Chronus said:
I think being 9 when The Phantom Menace came out has something to do with it.

Yeah, I actually still think that TPM, has the best acting out of the entire PT, and even though I didn't mind Jar Jar at the time (I'm myself was 9 as well) I today am angered by him.  Not, so much because he is annoying, but more because of something Ahmed Best said; that Jar Jar reminded him of being a child and feeling like an outcast, and how he was excited to have Jar Jar grow up throughout the movies and become an honorable and respected character.  Did any of this happen?  No!  I think that is tragic.  Now, Jar Jar will forever be the outcast child that nobody likes.  I'm sure there are many of us that can sympathize with that plight, and we should have been able to sympathize with Jar Jar throughout the PT, but Lucas and team botched it.

On a lighter note, I like battle droids, but only TPM battle droids when they talked all monotone and didn't really have emotion, which made them seem like more of a credible threat.  I would like to see them re -dubbed in that fashion.

 

. . . I just went very off topic didn't I?

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Rhikter said:
Yeah, I actually still think that TPM, has the best acting out of the entire PT, and even though I didn't mind Jar Jar at the time (I'm myself was 9 as well) I today am angered by him.  Not, so much because he is annoying, but more because of something Ahmed Best said; that Jar Jar reminded him of being a child and feeling like an outcast, and how he was excited to have Jar Jar grow up throughout the movies and become an honorable and respected character.  Did any of this happen?  No!  I think that is tragic.  Now, Jar Jar will forever be the outcast child that nobody likes.  I'm sure there are many of us that can sympathize with that plight, and we should have been able to sympathize with Jar Jar throughout the PT, but Lucas and team botched it.

On a lighter note, I like battle droids, but only TPM battle droids when they talked all monotone and didn't really have emotion, which made them seem like more of a credible threat.  I would like to see them re -dubbed in that fashion.

 

. . . I just went very off topic didn't I?

Yes, that is a bit off topic! But I would like to take this opportunity to do a brief comparison between the OT and the PT alien sidekicks:

In the OT, Chewbacca, at least in my opinion, doesn't change very much between ANH and ROTJ. He's loyal to Han, and doesn't really do anything to evolve as an individual character. I have no doubt that ANH Chewie would be just as willing to go into Jabba's palace to rescue Han, and all that jazz. Maybe Chewie changes vicariously through Han (who DOES have a major character arc in the trilogy), but not any direct change.

I too remember hearing somewhere that Lucas planned to have an overall arc in the trilogy for Jar-Jar Binks, with him being how he is in TPM, and becoming a stronger, more sympathetic character by the time he reached ROTS. However, the fan backlash seemed to have changed that altogether, and Jar-Jar was reduced to nothing but a cameo in ROTS, and in AOTC as the only person willing to give Palpatine the power to use a clone army... making Jar-Jar partially responsible for the downfall of the Republic, in a sense.

Mighty big change in Lucas' plans for Jar-Jar's trilogy arc, huh?

Despite lacking a true arc, Chewie STILL remains a beloved character. But hey, Chewie is cool.

I also agree that the droids in TPM weren't all that bad. In most fan-edits of TPM, the droids are toned down just enough to be better (best example: "Uh, uh... you're under arrest!"), and they aren't too bad in AOTC really, since their lines were reduced compared to TPM... but ROTS droids are simply ridiculous. Its a shame that the Clone Wars versions reflect ROTS so much in behavior.

In comparsion, the Stormtroopers in the OT aren't nearly as bad, though they occasionally bring some humor on their behalf, its never silly like the PT droids. Though I still think the PT did a better job with Clone Troopers by making them appear as badass as their rep, compared to the Stormtroopers, which never really came across as too threatening, with the exception being their entrance to Leia's ship in ANH.

 

Okay, now to get back on topic: I'd like to see more use of the top and bottom guns of the Falcon... in ROTJ, as it is, it always appears as if the Falcon only has one gun, shooting from the front almost. It would be nice to see the Falcon flying through a bunch of TIEs, with the gunners taking them out, which would make the Falcon appear even more badass in the big space battle, since it could attack in all directions, regardless of which direction Lando is flying. Just a thought.

It might be a HUGE stretch to pull it off, but if there could be Rebel Troops placed in the seats of the Falcon's guns (similar to Luke and Han sitting in the seats in ANH) that would be cool to see too. But it might be easier to just have the Falcon's guns shown firing from exterior shots.

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oh_riginal said: 
It might be a HUGE stretch to pull it off, but if there could be Rebel Troops placed in the seats of the Falcon's guns (similar to Luke and Han sitting in the seats in ANH) that would be cool to see too. But it might be easier to just have the Falcon's guns shown firing from exterior shots.

There was a deleted scene of just that.

Airen Cracken at the Battle of Endor

 

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Darth Chronus said:

Well by the time the Executor exploded into the Death Star II, the shield was down by then and the Emperor was thrown down that shaft by Vader - so the duel would have been over. 

It could be some other kind of explosion like an additional rebel ship blowing up perhaps.

 

What about the Death Star's superlaser?

Since it's never really established in the film where the Emperor's tower is, it could be within view of that.

I'd bet the Emperor's inner Michael Bay would love to have a first-hand view of whatever the DS is blowing up, and it's firing away at the rebel fleet while the duel is going on.

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vaderios said:

Last for today because i forgot i have exams.... :S

 

-Angel

 

Well this is what I meant when I said I wanted to see a view of the Death Star being closer to the Executor - from the Executor window :)

I should have looked through ALL of the pages, lol, I'm up to page 85 now, and most of these designs look friggin awesome.

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Just dreaming of what could have been... plus this thread is in the need of mockups since vaderios has exams. :D

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Cade Skywalker said:

Just dreaming of what could have been... plus this thread is in the need of mockups since vaderios has exams. :D

Sweet. I wonder what the first screenplay would have been like.

 

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Darth Lars said:
oh_riginal said: 
It might be a HUGE stretch to pull it off, but if there could be Rebel Troops placed in the seats of the Falcon's guns (similar to Luke and Han sitting in the seats in ANH) that would be cool to see too. But it might be easier to just have the Falcon's guns shown firing from exterior shots.

There was a deleted scene of just that.

Airen Cracken at the Battle of Endor

 

 

Would be nice if Ady or anyone else had access to this footage! Even if it were just a quick shot, its all that would be needed to establish that there are, indeed, other Rebels in the Falcon besides Lando and the others in the cockpit!

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Cade Skywalker said:

Just dreaming of what could have been... plus this thread is in the need of mockups since vaderios has exams. :D

Sweet. I wonder what the first screenplay would have been like.

 

I actually read the first screenplay (don't ask me how I got it).  And according to which, Luke surrenders to General Veers, who had been ordered to bring Luke to Vader's Star Destroyer.  Grand Moff Jerjerrod makes contact with the shuttle's captain and  tells Veers that Luke is to be brought before the Emperor on Had Abbadon, the capital of the Galatic Empire (which we now know as Coruscant) instead, but Veers refuses this order.  On the Star Destroyer, Luke once again confronts Vader, and Vader once again asks his son to join in.  Grand Moff Jerjerrod interupts in a furious manner at Vader for disobeying his orders to bring Luke to the Emperor.  In responce, Vader grabs Jerjerrod by the neck, chokes and kills him (very much like he did to Captain Antilles in ANH).

Then Vader was to escort Luke to Had Abbadon and bring him before the Emperor in his throne room, which was so far down in the planet that it was in a cave surrounded by lava.  Vader is being held back by two of the gaurds while the Emperor tries to seduce Luke to the Dark Side.  Obi-Wan and Yoda appear both in spirit form and threaten the Emperor with the notion that Luke's power is greater than his.  When Vader does come into scene, the Emperor orders him to destroy Luke.   Luke uses the Force to take his father's lightsaber since his was already conficated.  The Emperor gives Vader a lightsaber that he had hid up his sleeve, and the duel takes place.

In the end, Vader looses his hand either from it being burned off in lava or Luke cutting it off.  Vader begs Luke to kills him, but Luke refuses and gives his father his lightsaber back.  The Emperor again orders Vader to kill Luke, but Vader refuses and claims that he cannot bring himself to do it.  The Emperor fires Sith Lightning at Luke, who deflects it with his hand.  Each time Luke deflects the Emperor's lightning, images of Obi-Wan and Yoda appear and the exact moment of impact.  The bolts become more intense as Luke is forced to his knees, then Vader rises up and grabs the Emperor as he drags both them to their deaths by falling in lava.

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I want to see that scene so badly now ...

Was it actually filmed as a "scene" or just as a quick cut to a guy at the gun, then back to the regular stuff? It would be great if there was footage of him firing and such.

 

There is no doubt it must have been filmed, since that still exists. So much footage from major movies like Star Wars are never seen, even in DVD extras and such.

In my imagination, a re-done or brand new Falcon sequence could be similar to the opening of ROTS, with the camera following the Falcon similar to how it followed the Jedi Starfighters... and the top and bottom guns could be firing in all directions, taking out everything within radius....

But that would be an insanely difficult sequence to create in a fan-edit I would think!

 

“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”

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G E Predator said:
Darth Chronus said:
Cade Skywalker said:

Just dreaming of what could have been... plus this thread is in the need of mockups since vaderios has exams. :D

Sweet. I wonder what the first screenplay would have been like.

 

I actually read the first screenplay (don't ask me how I got it).  And according to which, Luke surrenders to General Veers, who had been ordered to bring Luke to Vader's Star Destroyer.  Grand Moff Jerjerrod makes contact with the shuttle's captain and  tells Veers that Luke is to be brought before the Emperor on Had Abbadon, the capital of the Galatic Empire (which we now know as Coruscant) instead, but Veers refuses this order.  On the Star Destroyer, Luke once again confronts Vader, and Vader once again asks his son to join in.  Grand Moff Jerjerrod interupts in a furious manner at Vader for disobeying his orders to bring Luke to the Emperor.  In responce, Vader grabs Jerjerrod by the neck, chokes and kills him (very much like he did to Captain Antilles in ANH).

Then Vader was to escort Luke to Had Abbadon and bring him before the Emperor in his throne room, which was so far down in the planet that it was in a cave surrounded by lava.  Vader is being held back by two of the gaurds while the Emperor tries to seduce Luke to the Dark Side.  Obi-Wan and Yoda appear both in spirit form and threaten the Emperor with the notion that Luke's power is greater than his.  When Vader does come into scene, the Emperor orders him to destroy Luke.   Luke uses the Force to take his father's lightsaber since his was already conficated.  The Emperor gives Vader a lightsaber that he had hid up his sleeve, and the duel takes place.

In the end, Vader looses his hand either from it being burned off in lava or Luke cutting it off.  Vader begs Luke to kills him, but Luke refuses and gives his father his lightsaber back.  The Emperor again orders Vader to kill Luke, but Vader refuses and claims that he cannot bring himself to do it.  The Emperor fires Sith Lightning at Luke, who deflects it with his hand.  Each time Luke deflects the Emperor's lightning, images of Obi-Wan and Yoda appear and the exact moment of impact.  The bolts become more intense as Luke is forced to his knees, then Vader rises up and grabs the Emperor as he drags both them to their deaths by falling in lava.

 

Yeah, I read that too, where Had Abbadon was the name of the Imperial Capital (and yes, it was pre-Coruscant in the process of the Star Wars saga, since Timothy Zahn created the name 'Coruscant' in the 1990s in his Star Wars novels). I read this very script on Starkiller.com where they have other scripts from the other films as well. I think that bit where Yoda appears is cool, since The Emperor says: 'You?!' It would have been interesting to see that script on film.

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I would love to have the emperor be in his throne room on coruscant sometime in the film. Maybe to keep him turned around looking at coruscant and have vader looking upon him. Then he arrives on the death star. It would be neat to just see another environment in the film instead of sand,trees,and stars.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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oh_riginal said:
Ripplin said:
ChainsawAsh said:

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I want to see that scene so badly now ...

Was it actually filmed as a "scene" or just as a quick cut to a guy at the gun, then back to the regular stuff? It would be great if there was footage of him firing and such.

 

There is no doubt it must have been filmed, since that still exists. So much footage from major movies like Star Wars are never seen, even in DVD extras and such.

In my imagination, a re-done or brand new Falcon sequence could be similar to the opening of ROTS, with the camera following the Falcon similar to how it followed the Jedi Starfighters... and the top and bottom guns could be firing in all directions, taking out everything within radius....

But that would be an insanely difficult sequence to create in a fan-edit I would think!

That would be so awesome!  I hope someone can work that out.

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