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Making sense of Hoth - Strucural Edit

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I have been trying to work out another way to structure  the Hoth battle In my head for the last few Months, my main ambition was to show Vader coming down to the planet and snow troopers doing a ground assault. Now this is an extremely crude / rough cut think of it more as structure than what I would hope to see. Unfortunatly you will need to use your imagination in this as any scene without a Hoth Backdrop or Matte you will need to imagine it is composited there lol :)

Any footage used from the original Trilogys consider the main object on screen / Character composited on Hoth and a good shot to use perhaps(Bar Obi-wan).

I used some footage from Imps chapter 2 just to get the feel of when the ground assault should happen and certainly do not propose using this footage but you would have to film people dressed as snow troopers to accomplish a true assault with planned shots.

I used a couple of peoples cgi footage namley Alanfae for the gun shots you posted just to improve the feel and starchoob for a downed AT-AT because I think they are good ideas so complete credit to other talented people I do not do CGI obviously, but hope I would inspire people who do CGI to perhaps play with this idea. Hope you don't mind me using your work / rough cuts but I agree with your ideas that is all and I hope you do not slag me off for doing so.

If you think the idea I had is crap / good then just say so, but this is along the structure lines of what I want to see for a Hoth Battle someday and try to make the battle a bit more logical in a way I hope whilst bringing Vader into the battle somewhat by killing a rebel will give the impression that he would want to kill Han / Leia at this point and not capture as we learn later to ultimatly get to luke before any intervention later by the emporer.

It would be alot of work though to do this properly... But not impossible there is a way and probably somone may have a better idea than me after seeing this.... That is the main purpose or you may feel it is pointless.

Try not to Laugh too much :)

Change list

1.Chewbaccas stolen AT-ST footage from ROTJ inserted for assaults on trenches. needs composite to Hoth

2.Rebels destroy that AT-ST again from ROTJ but Flipped needs composite but works well as an exchange as the dish gets targeted and destroyed by AT-AT's immediatly after the AT-ST is Destroyed.

3.Alanfae idea of guns fire back footage used because it needs it.

4.Star Choobs Downed AT-AT FX because It works well to show the shield is down on the AT-AT.

5.Opening Shots from  ROTJ Flipped lambda shuttle approach to echo base on hoth also needing composite to Hoth

6.Lukes Crashed paused at last frame but would also benefit from slowed reversed video of first few frames before grabbing the saftey harness in the next exterior shot to make more "real".

7.IMPS Footage to help attempt to show ground assault by Snow troopers. Difficulty with the AT-ATs as no distinguishing marks on them as this would be happening in a seperate place not above luke as it looks here. Completly new Snowtrooper footage at this point. I know this is a little bit jumbled but i was only considering it as a marker. Stormtroopers don't always miss!!

8.Retreat from the trenches footage moved to this point.. This would mean new Rebel footage retreating on the open ice fields and / or snowspeeder later and not trenches...

9.ESB SE 2004 Footage of Vader Debarking Lambda shuttle flipped needing composite and rebel lasers incoming.

10.Vader kills a rebel (Flipped shot of final blow to Obi-wan) replace Obi-Wan with a rebel to slay perhaps he could even bounce a laser bolt away from him.Needing Composite.

Vader is now in the battle Empire Victory is off screen from radio transmission "Imperial Troops have entered the base." This gives continuity to the scene where Vader Actually enters the base later on. we also know that he fought to get there and was a key part of the Empires Victory.

ben_danger said:

Whilst the canon debate is up though, it could be good for an editor to clarify what THEIR canon is perhaps? My reason being is that I find it INFURIATING when one puts an idea forward to edit one film, and then receive about a dozen nonconstructive comments on how that would affect another film WHICH YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE PLANS TO CHANGE!

An example of this could be say ADYcanon, and TROOPERMANcanon, which may have plans, either real, planned or theoretical to edit a broader selection of the films.

Perhaps it would be a good thread to start, where editors make single posts with THEIR canon explained, and links put in their signatures?

I like that idea. Make that thread. Call it......Cannon Fodder.

TV's Frink said:

Jaitea said:

Yeah someone mentions that on that site, but its a nice meshe, the first page of the thread shows it a bit more 'SW'-ish.

J

Kind of looks like a spherical version of the Borg cube from First Contact (especially given its proximity to earth).

Of course, I just posted that to stay on topic while I WIP MY HAIR BACK AND FORTH.

You mean the Borg sphere from the same movie? ;)

Reminds me of a stripped down Unicron.

In the past I suggessted I'd like to have seen the Emperor show up at the DS in something more majestic. I reccomended white robes.

Anyway, yesterday I was coloring with my lad, and since he tells me what color crayons to use (bossy... gets it from his mom) I ended up coloring a Darth Vader with a red cape.

It looked awesome.

I think in that one scene, the huge formal arrival of Empy on the DS, it would have been bad ass to see Vader in a red silk cape.

An idea for ROTJ to improve the battle on Endor and reduce the ewok problem. 

1. Replace the Tydirium with a larger cargo shuttle and instead of a small strike team make it big enough to carry 100 rebel commandos. This would require a new CGI cargo ship and maybe a build of the back ramp of the cargo ship. Then film some extras boarding on the calamari ship and then exiting on Endor. An added benefit of this change would be to keep the shuttle Vader and the Emperor travel on as 'special', not just run of the mill general purpose shuttles.

2. Feature more rebel commandos in the ground battle. These could be largely responsible for the victory with the ewoks simply helping the troops find the 'back door' and acting as decoys. This would require location shooting in a forest with lots of extras in rebel and stormtrooper outfits.

That would be great but I was trying to come up with something that doesn't require any new dialogue from the stars.

Monroville said:

You know, that's something that annoyed me about JEDI even as a kid... why is everyone who is part of the A-Team a "general"?  Is C3PO a general?  Why not R2D2?  Hell, let's make Luke's lightsabre a general too.

Though I will say General Calrissian has a nice ring to it...

A shady businessman who ran an illegal mining operation suddenly becomes a general in only 6 months.  This "general" also happens to have betrayed one of the Alliance's main leaders and made secret dealings with the Empire.  Lando must have been one sweet talker.

And who's to say he wasn't still in contact with Darth Vader?  Maybe Vader offered him amnesty in exchange for infiltrating the rebel's highest ranks?  I think I would have liked to see Lando's character take a darker turn.

..screenshot of crab claw?