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Dracula

(new thread to stop hijacking the "Last Movie Seen" thread)

Finished with Jack Palance's Dracula and I think it might be my new favortie. Fairly faithful (a few big deviations) Palance gives a very very menacing yet charasmatic performance without ever being suave. The reincarnated love angle (with Lucy not Mina) didn't feel as forced or as melodramtic at the Coppola picture.  I really, really dug it. Even the production values, which were fairly high for a US TV Movie, stand up well compared to the ghetto budgets the Jess Franco and BBC Dracula's of the same era were produced on.

 Boost's Dracula List: Most Faithful to Least Faithful to the book

  1. Count Dracula 1977 (Louis Jordan)
  2. Count Dracula 1970 (Christopher Lee)
  3. Dracula 1973 (Jack Palance)
  4. Dracula 1931 (Bela Lugosi)
  5. Nosferatu The Vampyre 1979 (Klaus Kinski)
  6. Bram Stoker's Dracula 1993 (Gary Oldman)
  7. Dracula 1979 (Frank Langella)
  8. [Horror of] Dracula 1958 (Christopher Lee)

 

These are the Dracula pictures I am currently working with to produce an epic "All Dracula Compilation/Comparison" Video, something akin to what HelmetCrow did with the six Star Wars films.

At first I was going to do ALL Draculas including John Carradine, The Monster Squad, Van Helsing, etc, but that got out of hand and I just went with the films that were adaptations of the book.

As I edit and tweak the presentation, I need some recomendations of what music to use. I was going with "Swan Lake" from the Lugosi picture, but decided I wanted something neutral, that wasn't connected with any of the actors who played the Count. Any ideas?

Last edited on May 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM by TheBoost
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RE: Dracula

I guess I'll have to watch the Jack Palance version.   But it won't top the Lugosi version.   Nothing could.    (imho)

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Well Horror of does come close in some ways, but it is a completely different movie with different aims. Nosferatu is super creepy as an alternative. Never have gotten all the way through the Spanish Universal though.

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captainsolo said:

Well Horror of does come close in some ways, but it is a completely different movie with different aims. Nosferatu is super creepy as an alternative. Never have gotten all the way through the Spanish Universal though.

 Please don't get me wrong, I love "Horror of Dracula" (it might have been my first Drac film), it's just that it's story is close to unrecognizable from the novel.

The mere fact that Harker/Van Helsing are a vampire-slaying tag team from the first scene was enough for me to rank it at the bottom of the list for fidelity.

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Bingowings said:

Dracula is a bit of a pet subject of mine (it was the first novel I managed to read all the way through at the tender age of 8).

 

The Demeter sections could be seen as a template of sorts for stories like Alien ,

 

 Damn you! I was 9 when I read it, and thought I was so cool.

At 9 I was pissed that Arthur, who seemed like such a good dude, totally ran off and didn't help in the end. And who the hell was Lord Godalming anyway!?!? Where'd he come from!?!

Now that you mention it, imagine a movie all about the Demeter (or another ship with a similar vamp in the hold). It would be awesome, although you'd have to change the ending.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8RmwCxqbIs

The nine Dracula musical comparison. It's like watching 17 hours worth of movies in 6 minutes!

 

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I just started reading the book on our cheap eReader that came with 100 public domain books. Three chapters in, not much like I expected.

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I read Dracula last summer. I thought the novel started off strong, but after the Demeter section of the book it started going downhill from there, moving at a painfully slow pace with the countless blood transfusions, Van Helsing's irritating broken English, etc.

Also saw Nosferatu - the original version - last summer. Love, love, love the Orlok makeup. Of course, the plot was all over the place, the vampire book was a deus ex machina, and the ending was lacklustre. And don't get me started on the jazzy score, which more often than not didn't even go with the actions happening on-screen.

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Bingowings said:

Nosferatu with a Jazz Score? Which version did you watch I have the BFI version with a score by Hammer composer James Bernard, there are many versions available with different scores. 

 Well, I guess I should say it wasn't a jazz score, per se, but it had some jazzy elements in places. As for which version it was ... not sure. I saw it on YouTube.

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Never been sure which version of Nosferatu is the most correct, but I've been happy with my original Kino release.

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Whichever version I saw at the Chicago Music Box Theatre a couple Halloweens ago with live organ accompaniment seemed to be pretty "correct" to me.  It had all the color-tinted scenes, and I believe the intertitles were in German with English subtitles.  (I could be misremembering that bit, though.)

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Posted this inthe Re-Casting counch thread, but I thought maybe we could debate it out here a bit.

DRACULA: TheBoost's fantasy cast for 2012

Count Dracula: Jonathon Rhys Myers (The Tudors)
 A good mix of menace and sex appeal. In fact, so much sex appeal that the film wont have to waste any time on the "Dracula is sexy" trope all other adaptations have done. Just his presense will cover that, and he can go about being evil.

Jonathon Harker: Garrett Hedlund (Tron 2)
 A real leading man, action hero type. This heightens his character's brokenness after his escape from the castle.

Mina Murray: Laura Carmichael (Downton Abbey)
 Carmichale, from "Downton Abbey" is elegant, lovely, and has a great smile that hints at layers beneath her proper veneer, without having to slap you in the face with it like the talentless Winona Rider.

Abraham Van Helsing: Rutger Hauer
 The man was born for it. He's even Dutch... I think. Didn't bother to look it up.

Mr. Renfield: Christopher Eccelston (Doctor Who)
 I think Eccelston's intensity and energy could make Renfield scary, not just funny, and be contrasted strongly with his gentleness later in the tale.

Lucy Westenra: Erica Durance (Smallville)
 Lucy needs to be two things: instantly loveable and later, scary sexy. I think TV's Lois Lane, with her adorable dimples, could pull it off nicely.

The Suitors: With so many characters it's important to make sure each is very distinct in appearance and manners. That guided my choices.

Arthur Holmwood/Lord Godalming: Ben Barnes (Prince Caspian)
 Pretty to the point of being almost girly, Barnes contrasts nicely with Harker and we can see why Lucy picks him.
Dr. Seward: Matt Smith (Doctor Who)
 A Doctor playing a Doctor, Smith is charismatic and charming, while not being good looking.
Quincy Morris: Jason Segel (The Muppets)
 While Segal has very little serious drama to his credit, I think he'd be a natural for the rangy Texan. And he's huge, which is nice.

 

RUNNERS UP:

Dracula: Michael Fassbender
Van Helsing: Phillip Quast
Renfield: Andy Serkis

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RE: Dracula

Ooh, Michael Fassbender as Dracula...now there's an idea...

And I love the idea of Rutger Hauer as Van Helsing.

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Bingowings said:

Let's see.

Dracula : I've long wished Charles Dance would play him, he could still play old Drac but it's difficult to tell what make up and a bit of digital trickery would do to make him into his rejuvenated form. Christopher Eccleston could do the job well I think, he has the cheek bones. Maybe Jason Issacs too.

Mina : Jessica Brown Findlay.

Arthur : Dan Stevens.

Jack : Benedict Cumberbatch

I considered but passed on Dan Stevens as Arthur, almost because he's a little too "on the nose" from his role on "Downton Abbey." (and I just now learned he already played Arthur! I didn't know that!)

Charles Dance as the Count could work. My first thought of him is always as The Phantom of the Opera... so you get a little "horror icon" cache, although he is a bit long in the tooth (no pun intended).

I like that we both picked supporting sister's from "Downton Abbey" as Mina.

Cumberpatch would be a swell Seward.

As for Rutger being too physical... give him a cane! Solved!!

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TheBoost said:


Abraham Van Helsing: Rutger Hauer


Seems this is going to actually happen.

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