TV's Frink said:

Life of deer to human embryo.

I'd kill a deer before an embryo.

I'd torture a dolphin to death to save a fetus.

And I'm pro-choice. I just think any human life, or potential human life, is worth more than an animal.

TV's Frink said:

Life of deer to human embryo.

well, if one is of the opinion that life begins at conception, one would have to put the human embryo over that of the life of the deer. 

TV's Frink said:

TheBoost said:

TV's Frink said:

Life of deer to human embryo.

I'd kill a deer before an embryo.

I'd torture a dolphin to death to save a fetus.

And I'm pro-choice. I just think any human life, or potential human life, is worth more than an animal.

Any animal?  What about a dog?  What about your dog (assuming you have one)?

Why is a human embryo worth more than an animal?  What about an embryo that is not viable?

 If it was kill my dog or a pregnant woman miscarries? Goodbye April. (that's my dog).

Nonviable as in not ready to be born, or nonviable as in will never be able to survive birth (as in that article you posted)?

TV's Frink said:

Why is a human embryo worth more than an animal? 

well, if you believe life begins at conception,  human embryo is worth more than an animal for the same reason a human is worth more than an animal.

TV's Frink said:

I don't mean to say that I don't think an embryo has value.  I just hate when people say "life begins at conception" as a blanket statement and that the destruction of any embryo is murder.

 I don't beleive that. I just think that human life, unique in all the universe, is worth more than animals, even potential human life.

And to reiterate, I'm pro-choice and love animals.

TV's Frink said:

Nonviable as in never will be able to survive birth.

...

Or what if it has a 99.99999999999999% chance of not making it past two days outside the womb?

...

well, first I have to say that we have heard no evidence that the embryo in the raped woman(if an embryo was indeed created from the rape)  had no chance to survive birth(if carried to term).   For all we know, if there was an embryo it could have been perfectly healthy.  If however, it was the case that the embryo or fetus or whatever you want to call it had no chance to survive birth and/or had a 99.99999999999999%  of not making past two days, I can't say I'd have a problem with it being aborted.

TV's Frink said:

I don't mean to say that I don't think an embryo has value.  I just hate when people say "life begins at conception" as a blanket statement and that the destruction of any embryo is murder.

please remember I wasn't making a blanket statement of my own beliefs, I was merely stating what most anti-abortion people(and the doctor in the case of the raped woman)  believe. 

TV's Frink said:  Probably something about people who hunt but oppose any kind of abortion in any situation, but I don't remember now.

 

Just to be clear, I don't hunt. 

As for those that do, their rational is probably this:

human > deer

human embryo = human fetus = human

therefore:

human embryo > deer

human fetus > deer

therefore:

it is ok to hunt deer, but not abort human fetuses or human embryos.

Just to play devils advocate:

those that hunt might question the logic of those that complain about those that hunt and yet have no problem eating meat.

People eat deer.  As far as I know, no people eat aborted fetuses.

Therefore, Frink, your comparison is invalid.

;-)

*sigh*

Warbler said:

those that hunt might question the logic of those that complain about those hunt and yet have not problem eating meat.

I'll give you that.

I often wonder, if I had to kill it to eat, would I be able to? I've killed chickens, ducks, and fish (ate them all) but I don't know if I could kill a cow. Their eyes are so big. Perhaps morally I should not eat beef.

I don't know that I could kill any animals.   Although I do eat meat,  so I can't condemn the killing of animals for consumption. 

I lack the strength of character or the pallete to be a vegetarian, but have often wondered if it would be a moral choice- not based on the sanctity of animal life, but based on the human population and the appropriate use of natural resources.

Raising livestock uses tens to hundreds of times more water, energy, spacem and fuel compared to raising foodcrops.

But damn I love me a roast beef.

TheBoost said:

 

Raising livestock uses tens to hundreds of times more water, energy, spacem and fuel compared to raising foodcrops.

But damn I love me a roast beef.

what is spacem?

Warbler said:

TheBoost said:

 

Raising livestock uses tens to hundreds of times more water, energy, spacem and fuel compared to raising foodcrops.

But damn I love me a roast beef.

what is spacem?

 It's what happens when you cross the space needed to raise livestock with a spaceman.