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Better a bad bomb than a bombadMore docs are refusing to treat kids who aren't vaccinated.
I deeply feel for those children, but it seems to me that their parents are to blame for any harm that comes to them.
There is no legitamate science connecting vaccines to autism, and the closest thing that the Anti-vaccine movmeent had to a study is now recognized as not only bad science but blatant fraud, but that doesn't change the minds of crazy people, especially in a world where a woman like Oprah can expose millions of minds to unchallenged nonsense everyday.
In the words of the doctor in the article who says he's NOT refusing to see kids:
"I'm begging to treat the patients," he says, "but the parents are refusing to let me."
TV's Frink
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Ointment FlyI'm trying to figure out who "Dr. S" is.
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Better a bad bomb than a bombadTV's Frink said:
I'm trying to figure out who "Dr. S" is.
Fixed. :-P
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aka PancakesI'm with the doctors. Not vaccinating your children does not affect only your child, it affects every child yours comes into contact with. Areas with high rates of non-vaccinated children also show significantly higher rates of diseases like measles among young people.
I have no sympathy for any parent who doesn't vaccinate their child. I feel terrible for the children, since it's not their choice, but any parent dumb enough to fall onto the "Vaccines cause autism!" bullshit bandwagon deserves to be shunned by their doctors.
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Chief Architect of Cynical MoralityWhile I think that vaccines are fine, I'm not sure where I fall on this particular issue.
Would I fix someone's computer who doesn't use freely available antivirus? Sure I would, but I would install antivirus for them before I gave it back.
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Better a bad bomb than a bombaddoubleofive said:
While I think that vaccines are fine, I'm not sure where I fall on this particular issue.
Would I fix someone's computer who doesn't use freely available antivirus? Sure I would, but I would install antivirus for them before I gave it back.
But if they insisted that antivirus NOT be installed?
ChainsawAsh
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aka PancakesAntivirus ≠ vaccines
You can not have an antivirus program, but be careful about your web browsing, and never get a virus.
It's quite another thing to not get vaccinated, then try to "be careful" that you never get sick.
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Better a bad bomb than a bombadChainsawAsh said:
Antivirus ≠ vaccines
You can not have an antivirus program, but be careful about your web browsing, and never get a virus.
It's quite another thing to not get vaccinated, then try to "be careful" that you never get sick.
Good points.
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Chief Architect of Cynical MoralityTrue, it's not a perfect analogy. Of course, if someone insisted on not having antivirus, I'd leave it to them because theyre only hurting themselves. Kids are a different story.TheBoost said:
ChainsawAsh said:
Antivirus ? vaccines
You can not have an antivirus program, but be careful about your web browsing, and never get a virus.
It's quite another thing to not get vaccinated, then try to "be careful" that you never get sick.
Good points.
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Ointment FlyOk, I figured out who Dr. S is, but why would kids need an originaltrilogy vaccination?
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Better a bad bomb than a bombadTV's Frink said:
Ok, I figured out who Dr. S is, but why would kids need an originaltrilogy vaccination?
You're dead to me.
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Ointment FlyWithout my ot vaccination I might as well be.
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TV's Frink got me into the dark side of the force!Kay fine want to say your refusing to see patients due to variables beyond their control. Fine go ahead but, this:
TheBoost said:
In the words of the doctor in the article who says he's NOT refusing to see kids:
"I'm begging to treat the patients," he says, "but the parents are refusing to let me."
ChainsawAsh
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aka Pancakestwister111 said:
The Parents should reserve the right to choose to have their kid vaccinated in the first place.
No, they really shouldn't. Vaccinations should be mandatory for everyone.
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Also, while I couldn't understand most of your post due to how incoherent it was, you seem to have misinterpreted the doctor's quote.
"I'm begging to treat the patients, but the parents are refusing to let me." The doctor saying this IS NOT refusing to treat unvaccinated children.
What he's saying is, he's begging the parents to let him vaccinate their children, but they're refusing to allow it.
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South Jersey DevilI give you my take on this, doctors should never, ever refuse to treat a patient. EVER. I say doctors have duty to treat all patients. Whether or not they chose to get vaccinated is irrelevant.
Also, why punish the kid for to stupidity of the parent? I could understand refusing to treat an adult patient that refuses an adult vaccination. But why refuse to treat a child? The child has no say over whether or not they get vaccinated, it all up to the parents.
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Warbler said:
I give you my take on this, doctors should never, ever refuse to treat a patient. EVER. I say doctors have duty to treat all patients. Whether or not they chose to get vaccinated is irrelevant.
Also, why punish the kid for to stupidity of the parent? I could understand refusing to treat an adult patient that refuses an adult vaccination. But why refuse to treat a child? The child has no say over whether or not they get vaccinated, it all up to the parents.
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You will not. None of us will, except for a very old and dying Ziggy Stardust who will watch it through teary eyes as he remembers us all.
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I seriously hope I will live enough to see the original Star Wars trilogy in this quality
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Better a bad bomb than a bombadWarbler said:
I give you my take on this, doctors should never, ever refuse to treat a patient. EVER. I say doctors have duty to treat all patients. Whether or not they chose to get vaccinated is irrelevant.
Also, why punish the kid for to stupidity of the parent? I could understand refusing to treat an adult patient that refuses an adult vaccination. But why refuse to treat a child? The child has no say over whether or not they get vaccinated, it all up to the parents.
I think the doctor makes a good point that he also has to be concerned about the well-being of his other patients, many of whom would be children not yet complete with their own vaccination series.
I'd be unhappy if my son was exposed to pertussis because some asshole had their unvaccinated kid in the same waiting room. I know for a fact at school my kid is safe among other vaccinated kids.
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aka PancakesTheBoost said:
Warbler said:
I give you my take on this, doctors should never, ever refuse to treat a patient. EVER. I say doctors have duty to treat all patients. Whether or not they chose to get vaccinated is irrelevant.
Also, why punish the kid for to stupidity of the parent? I could understand refusing to treat an adult patient that refuses an adult vaccination. But why refuse to treat a child? The child has no say over whether or not they get vaccinated, it all up to the parents.
I think the doctor makes a good point that he also has to be concerned about the well-being of his other patients, many of whom would be children not yet complete with their own vaccination series.
I'd be unhappy if my son was exposed to pertussis because some asshole had their unvaccinated kid in the same waiting room. I know for a fact at school my kid is safe among other vaccinated kids.
This is exactly why I support the doctors in this situation.
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I am ready for the trials!How are patients who have been vaccinated in danger from patients who haven't been vaccinated? That doesn't make any sense.
Having been vaccinated you are immune to the diesase. Duh.
People need to pull their head out of their ass once in a while and think.
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Better a bad bomb than a bombadvbangle said:
How are patients who have been vaccinated in danger from patients who haven't been vaccinated? That doesn't make any sense.
Having been vaccinated you are immune to the diesase. Duh.
People need to pull their head out of their ass once in a while and think.
Since the doctor being quoted is a pediatrician, many of his patients will be children partway through a vaccination series.It makes perfect since that an unvaccinated child, perhaps a carrier, would pose a risk to these children. Duh.
You're plainly stupid.
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See You, Space Cowboy...I would've thought the same as VBangle if not corrected, to be fair...
ChainsawAsh
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aka PancakesYeah, TheBoost hit the nail on the head. That's exactly why.
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South Jersey DevilI agree with keeping unvaccinated kids away from those who are not complete with vaccinations, to not treat said children? Are you ready to let a child die because the parents were too stupid to get the kid vaccinated? Please remember it is not the child's fault.
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TV's Frink got me into the dark side of the force!ChainsawAsh said:
twister111 said:
The Parents should reserve the right to choose to have their kid vaccinated in the first place.
No, they really shouldn't. Vaccinations should be mandatory for everyone.
If the doctors have a right to refuse treatment based on whether or, not a kid has had a vaccine. The Parents should reserve the right to choose to have their kid vaccinated in the first place.
ChainsawAsh said:
--edit--
Also, while I couldn't understand most of your post due to how incoherent it was, you seem to have misinterpreted the doctor's quote.
"I'm begging to treat the patients, but the parents are refusing to let me." The doctor saying this IS NOT refusing to treat unvaccinated children.
What he's saying is, he's begging the parents to let him vaccinate their children, but they're refusing to allow it.
Samuel Katz, MD, of Duke University, says it's not right to refuse seeing a child "because it is the parent who is the problem, whereas the child merits medical care."
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aka PancakesWarbler said:
I agree with keeping unvaccinated kids away from those who are not complete with vaccinations, to not treat said children? Are you ready to let a child die because the parents were too stupid to get the kid vaccinated? Please remember it is not the child's fault.
I think they won't have a problem finding a doctor who will treat their child, and the fact that the first doctor refused said treatment due to the vaccination issue might make them realize how big a mistake it was to not vaccinate them. They might reconsider and vaccinate their child because of this.