This is where it began…

savmagoett said:

You see Ady, I'm currently working on my own fan project which is all about starship dimensions in star wars so I have analyzed those a lot. And suddenly I stumble upon your unexpected point of view. I find this… disturbing ;)
Here is my point of view:
In the matter of size of things there are shots that are establishing scale more than others (like shots of ships with actors around). And I find most of these "scale establishing shots" pretty consistent to each other and also consistent with the special effects with models, the scale chart I posted was illustrating that.
Most of the discrepancies only appear when you make relation between inside and outside shots. ILM guys didn't bother to be scale accurate in those relations simply because no one would have noticed anything in the theater so they did what they had to do to tell the story with the best time/money/efficiency compromise they could come up with at the time. Maybe some inside sets are build out of scale (bigger) for filming (scope) purpose, something like that.
Of course when you're looking a movie through a microscope nothing is holding together. I know your goal is to fix most of the problems.
But if you can't change every "scale establishing" shots to match inside shots, aren't you creating other discrepancies somewhere else.
For example you're ok to change the scale of the Tydirium shuttle in one shot and leave the other shots that are establishing another destroyer scale (like the hiding Falcon). Doesn't it bother you?
I will post some images to illustrate my point, but later not to monopolize the tread.…

Doesn't this belong in Ady's Empire thread?

No! lol. He was just redirected here :)

-Angel

Yeah, don't bite me yet! lol

My point here is to make my case for the one mile Star Destroyer first, as I think it is how we are seeing it in the movies.

To do so I will post some successive analyses of several ships dimension continuity, in order to come to this conclusion.

Then we will be able to speak about other scale issues…

you can add your own counter-analysis of course, whether you back me up or contradict me…

savmagoett said:

First, the 20m (65 feet) Tydirium shuttle continuity.

The 1/1 Thydirium on live set:

Special effect with CGI model (I guess) inside the Executor for TESB(SE):

Inside set:

Very consistent inside layout from SW Incredible Cross Sections (great book BTW):

Conclusion: pretty consistent what do you think?

So what do you think of that one alone?

xhonzi said:

Doesn't this belong in Ady's Empire thread?

I think xhonzi is a Customer Representative for a phone/cable/satellite/bank/etc. company lol.

I'd be interested in seeing the Falcon's scaling issues discussed here as well.  I wonder what a larger Falcon set would look like if one was to make it match the scaling of the cockpit set?

TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

Doesn't this belong in Ady's Empire thread?

I think xhonzi is a Customer Representative for a phone/cable/satellite/bank/etc. company lol.

 Remember who's buying my steak dinners.

Sluggo said:

I'd be interested in seeing the Falcon's scaling issues discussed here as well.  I wonder what a larger Falcon set would look like if one was to make it match the scaling of the cockpit set?

Don't worry, I will be treating her, as she appear in some important star destroyer reference shots…

And as well as it goes, I think you'll be surprised ;)

I dont get it.

I mean why the millenium falcon is wrong in the back of the sd?

I run the scales on 3d max i put the falcon in the back and it looks the same...

-Angel

Well correct me if im wrong.

The model used on back is the exact same with the human scaling.

Sorry long image lol

-Angel

vaderios said:

Well correct me if im wrong.

The model used on back is the exact same with the human scaling.

Sorry long image lol

-Angel

Ady won't like it but you're making my point Angel :)

I'll explain later got to sleep now :o

No idea who is right, right now :P

I can assure you that the shuttle is small tho like ady did.

-Angel

adywan said:

Ah, i can see where the scaling is going out there Angel. The stardestroyer model you are using for the comparison is has been modelled on the stardestroyer with the oversized bridge section. Heres the different towers that were used for the models in the OT. The Executor is the only one that has the bridge section at the correct scale when compared to the tower.

Thats depressing. So the executor has the right dimensions? so its bridge is the same as the SD's ones? MEH!

So ady can you illustrate please -roughly- how the MF should be in the back of the SD?

But again the MG should have different angle when it flybys from Needa's bridge. Otherwise with that angle it could hit :)

-Angel

adywan said:

1:- taken from the pic you posted, savmagoett,  of the scale between a human and the shuttle. Now the interior of the bridge and its windows is the same size for the Executor as it is for the stadestroyers. But in the models they only added the correct domed outside of the bridge to the executor. There is one stardestroyer model that has the domed bridge but the scale for that would have made the stardestroyers bridges almost 3x the size of the Executors one. Now the Towers of the stardestroyers and the Executor are exactly the same size so we can use the Executor tower with the domed bridge for the comparison. As you can see the scale of the human is the correct scale with the bridge.

2:- Now zoomed out so we can see the full tower, which you can see the scale of the shuttle in comparison to the tower.

3:- Full zoom out. The highest points of the zoomed tower perfectly matching the highest points in the full model, which is the centre point of the stardestroyer so the scale is correct. Copied and pasted the shuttle from the zoomed section and placed it next to your shuttles scaling.

4:- the scaling zoomed in. As you can see the correct scale of the shuttle in comparison with the stardestroyer should be a lot smaller than your calculations. So the shuttle in ESB:R will be the correct smaller scale which will fit inside the stardestroyers docking bay

 

I just wanted to show an Executor 'exterior' Bridge shot in close proximity to the photos above, for comparisons sake. 

Perhaps you can clear this up for me Adywan? -  I always thought this 'rounded' exterior Bridge shot below was meant to be the Executor's tower....but I was never sure (the dvd colouration is misleading)....

....and both of these behind-the-scenes miniature shots seen below are listed as being the Executor's tower (and either or both these shots may be 'flipped' the wrong way round for all I know, when it comes to studying the detail) 

Do you reckon the first one shown below is actually the 'oversized' Bridge that you mentioned in your post #17 on this thread, and that only the one at the bottom is the correct Executor one?  -

Have any of you guys looked at the Slave one?  It looks off from the exterior shots to the cockpit shots.