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Scruffy
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I am ready for the trials!I changed the channel and saw TPM on Spike. I haven't seen this in many years. The X-men ship was descending to Coruscant, and a no-name pilot said, "Coruscant. The whole planet is one big city. Look over there--Chancellor Valorum's shuttle. And Senator Palpatine is waiting for us."
Way cool dialogue. I think the next edition of SW should do some ADR to add dialogue like that.
"Tatooine. The planet is a big desert. Look over there--a Krayt dragon skeleton. The desolation does not bode well for us."
"Bespin. The whole planet is covered in clouds. Look over there--it's Cloud City. And Lando Calrissian is waiting for us."
"The Sanctuary Moon of Endor. The whole planet is a big forest. Look over there--the shield projector. And stormtroopers are guarding it."
I really like this "tell the audience what they're seeing and let them know what's about to happen" style of storytelling. Descriptive soundtracks have previously been relegated to films for the blind, but I really think we can work them directly into the dialogue. Perhaps Lucas's small, experimental films will do further work with this technique.
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Gaffer Tape
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Imagination PrincessNo-name pilot? Ric Olie's going to have words for you soon. ^_~
But, yeah, aside from the almighty establishing shot, that kind of dialogue is part of what makes the prequels so... "special." But I will say in the defense of that particular moment is that at least he was talking to a child, somewhat justifying such a blatant piece of exposition. George saw the easy way out and just RAN with it!
There is no lingerie in space...
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don't exist... then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks... and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming... Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Ointment FlyGaffer Tape said:
No-name pilot? Ric Olie's going to have words for you soon. ^_~
Who?
Gaffer Tape
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Imagination Princess...
You're dead to me...
There is no lingerie in space...
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don't exist... then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks... and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming... Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
bkev
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See You, Space Cowboy...^What she said.Gaffer Tape said:
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You're dead to me...
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Ointment FlyI feel your pain, guys.
Anyway, I used to feel the same way as Scruffy regarding Ric's dialogue. But that was before I found ot.com. Now, when I watch a TPM fanedit that removes or reduces Olie, I sort of miss him.
Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold
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Ric Olie's dialogue never really bothered me. It's just as obvious as "The Eagles are coming!" or "It's... it's a dinosaur!".
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but "The Eagles are Coming" makes sense
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Scruffy
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I am ready for the trials!Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:
Ric Olie's dialogue never really bothered me. It's just as obvious as "The Eagles are coming!" or "It's... it's a dinosaur!".
An exclamation is very natural. Especially if the purpose of the exclamation is to inform troops in contact that close air support is approaching. Purely expository dialogue is somewhat less natural. It is true that the ugly, no-name, never-seen-again pilot was talking to a child, but it wasn't natural. A real person might say something like, "Listen, kid. That shuttle belongs to Chancellor Valorum. He's pretty important. In fact, he runs the whole Republic. So don't say anything dumb or--you know, don't say anything at all. Okay?"
See? Natural. The adult is worried that the kid is going to embarrass him, he communicates to the audience who Valorum is, and he doesn't comment on anything really obvious like the urban build-up on Coruscant. We get a peek at what's going on inside balding pilot's head, and it sets the audience up to think that the precocious child is going to do something above his station. Describing what everyone could plainly see was didn't serve the audience or reflect very well on the oily pilot.
Also, if Anakin didn't say anything at all from that point forward, the trilogy would be much better.
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Ointment FlyScruffy said:
It is true that the ugly, no-name, never-seen-again pilot was talking to a child, but it wasn't natural.
Ugly?
*speechless*
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex Maximusdoubleofive said:
HIS NAME IS RIC!
AND HE IS FUNKY!
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- Anál nathrach,
- orth’ bháis’s bethad,
- do chél dénmha
Ric Olie
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Outlook not so goodScruffy said:
It is true that the ugly, no-name, never-seen-again pilot was talking to a child, but it wasn't natural.
Oh yeah? How many Handsome Internet Polls have you won?
Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold
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Scruffy said:
Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:
Ric Olie's dialogue never really bothered me. It's just as obvious as "The Eagles are coming!" or "It's... it's a dinosaur!".
An exclamation is very natural. Especially if the purpose of the exclamation is to inform troops in contact that close air support is approaching. Purely expository dialogue is somewhat less natural. It is true that the ugly, no-name, never-seen-again pilot was talking to a child, but it wasn't natural. A real person might say something like, "Listen, kid. That shuttle belongs to Chancellor Valorum. He's pretty important. In fact, he runs the whole Republic. So don't say anything dumb or--you know, don't say anything at all. Okay?"
See? Natural. The adult is worried that the kid is going to embarrass him, he communicates to the audience who Valorum is, and he doesn't comment on anything really obvious like the urban build-up on Coruscant. We get a peek at what's going on inside balding pilot's head, and it sets the audience up to think that the precocious child is going to do something above his station. Describing what everyone could plainly see was didn't serve the audience or reflect very well on the oily pilot.
Also, if Anakin didn't say anything at all from that point forward, the trilogy would be much better.
"The entire planet is one big city" I don't quite see as an obvious, it's more like he's contrasting it to the desertic Tatooine. A "Look how different our planet is from yours" only more polite. As for the Valorum bit, he did adress some information that was irrelevant to Anakin.
And for the record, Panaka is far more cute than Ric.
Sluggo
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is automatic for the people.Ric Olie said:
Scruffy said:
It is true that the ugly, no-name, never-seen-again pilot was talking to a child, but it wasn't natural.
Oh yeah? How many Handsome Internet Polls have you won?
Ric?! It looks like you are back!
Yeah, some of the prequel dialogue is pretty funky, but is is better than having a title card or a subtitle tell you anytime the scenery changes. I've always been bugged then that happens in movies.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish memes.
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Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusCHATEAU BINGOWINGS.
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Yeah I hate that too.
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xhonzi
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of Earth.Ric:Oh yeah? How many Handsome Internet Polls have you won?
Me: 1. Just the Handsome Naboobian Thrown one.
PCSitCH:And for the record, Panaka is far more cute than Ric.
Panaka:
Oh, Panaka like you already! Panaka like you almost as much as he love delicious panakacakes.
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Ric Olie
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Outlook not so goodxhonzi said:
Ric:Oh yeah? How many Handsome Internet Polls have you won?
Me: 1. Just the Handsome Naboobian Thrown one.
*sigh*
I just sighed.