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From:
D_J's SW Trylogy Project (Gout Sourced) + ABC's ESB "Audiophile Edition" (upgraded version)
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK "IMPERIAL EDITION"
John WILLIAMS And The LONDON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA
The Project:
A DVD featuring the Complete Original Score as written by John Williams, playing over D_J's GOUT sourced version.
Particularities: Using the final upgrade from my last effort for the Empire Strikes Back *Audiophile Edition*, we agreed with Dark Jedi to save all the space from the DVD for the music and its now more than partially recovered sound quality. We then opted for a black and white version, and obviously silent.
SAMPLE VOB file (16 min opening, W.I.P. and 1st draft)
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Final Versions:
Here is a sample of "Asteroids"
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pidl8b
Here is a sample of "Mynock Cave"
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bye996
Note: there's no tracked parts from other cues like they did for the film in this reconstruction. All has been done to bring back the original score as far as possible. Film versions cuts have only been made when there was no other choice for synchronization with the picture. Every single bit has its place and nothing has been left to hasard. Film version cues mostly consist in tiny bits of music deleted or repeated to match even more with the acting.
- The single titles next to the sessions tape references are from John Williams Original cue sheet (credit to J. Takis for sharing this documentation) -
(P.S.: "Unused parts" means they're used here, of course)
ICE PLANET Suite
--- 1M1 Main Title: Original
--- 1M2 The Imperial Probe: Original - Unused parts
--- 1M3/2M1 Luke's Escape: Original - Unused parts
--- 2M2 Ben's Instructions: Original - Unused parts
--- 2M3 Luke's Rescue: Original - Unused parts
ABOARD THE EXECUTOR
--- 2M4 The Probe Scanner: Original - Unused parts
BATTLE ON HOTH
--- 3M1 Drawing The Battle Lines: Original
--- 3M2 Leia's Instructions: Original
--- 3M3 The Snow Battle: Film Cut
--- 3M4/4M1 Luke's First Crash: Film Cut
--- 4M2 The Rebels Escape Again: Film Cut
THE ASTEROID FIELD
--- 4M3 The Asteroid Field: Film Cut
ARRIVAL ON DAGOBAH
--- 5M1 Crash Landing: Film Cut
A FAMILIAR PLACE
--- 5M2 Yoda Appears: Original
NOCTURNAL VISITOR
--- 5M3 Yoda's Entrance: Original - Unused parts
HAN AND THE PRINCESS / VADER AND THE EMPEROR
--- 5M4/6M1 Solo And The Princess: Film Cut
FOREIGN PLACES Suite
--- 6M2 Yoda's Teaching: Original
--- 6M3 This Is Not A Cave: Original - Unused parts
--- 6M4 Training A Jedi: Original - Unused
--- 6M5/7M1 The Magic Tree: Film Cut
ATTACK POSITION
--- 7M2 Attack Position: Original
YODA AND THE FORCE
--- 7M3 Yoda Raises The Ship: Film Cut
DARTH VADER'S COMMAND
--- 7M4/8M1 Vader's Command: Original - Unused parts
THE CITY IN THE CLOUDS
--- 8M2 City In The Clouds: Film Cut + Unused parts
LANDO' S PALACE / LUKE' S PROMISE
--- 8M3 Lando's Palace: Original
LEIA' S WORRIES
--- 9M1 Luke To The Rescue: Original
BETRAYAL AT BESPIN
--- 9M2 Vader Shows Up: Original
CAPTIVES
--- 9M3 Putting ThreePio Together: Original
DEAL WITH THE DARK LORD
--- 9M4 Trouble In Prison: Original
CARBON FREEZE Suite
--- 9M6/10M1 Carbon Freeze: Film Cut
--- 10M2 Luke Pursues The Captives: Film Cut - Unused parts
--- 10M3 Chewie Chokes Lando: Original # - Unused parts
THE DUEL
11M1 Through The Window: Original (2nd half slightly out of synch)
ESCAPE FROM BESPIN Suite
--- 12M1 Losing A Hand: Film Cut
--- 12M2 To Hyper-Space: Original #
THE REBEL FLEET / END TITLE
--- 12M3 Finale: Original #
--- 12M4 End Credits: Album Version (The Imperial March concert Version having no more place in the score I thought it was somehow due to have it here, notably considering the average sound quality of the alternate Film Version insert)
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Dark Jedi KnightNo problem ABC, I am not one of those guys that cry when his thread goes off topic, it really does not bother me at all.
LOL now I have 3 projects going and not 1 of them done.
Hopefully the '97 Special Edition Trilogy will be done real soon though, but still waiting on material for the v3 GOUT project, so this will be fun.
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OUTThere's no hurry... My new material is almost completed but I'm still working on a couple of alternate edits and try some improvements.
Let's take our time ;)
dark_jedi
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Dark Jedi KnightJust so you know, the video is done LOL, I will upload the audio soon, I will PM you the download link, please keep the PCM track for yourself, I will release all the PCM tracks once the GOUT v3 is finished.
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I will PM you the download link, please keep the PCM track for yourself
No problem ! ;)
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It's an interesting and original concept, the sample look kinda cool in black & white, I'm not a big fan of isolated scores on DVD but if you're planning to have the score as originally written for the film, I'm all for it.
ABC, I can check that for you, I've never heard that the rare version should be on the '04 DVD menu, if that's the case it's really cool.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
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OUTmsycamore said:
It's an interesting and original concept, the sample look kinda cool in black & white, I'm not a big fan of isolated scores on DVD but if you're planning to have the score as originally written for the film, I'm all for it.
I'm not a fan of isolated scores neither. We're going to have as you say: the score as originally written as far as possible. Besides that's what shows D_J's sample, and it is the first time I witness the original score against the picture. :) Not mentionning it's going to be a high bitrate sound. I think I'm going to be excited about it soon. lol !
The isolated film cut soundtrack will surely be made though, cause I now know every note and can spot every variation very easily. 'shouldn't be too hard to edit.
ABC, I can check that for you, I've never heard that the rare version should be on the '04 DVD menu, if that's the case it's really cool.
Great, thanks. I'm almost sure it is, and if I'm right it's possibly long enough for reediting.
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OUTD_J, is your GOUT the same as the 2004 DVD cut ? ... I may have to check some passages against the picture to see if they fit alright.
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Dark Jedi KnightNo the 2004 is the SE, the GOUT is very different, unless you are talking about the bonus disk non anamorphic version that came with it, that would be the GOUT.
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OUTdark_jedi said:
... unless you are talking about the bonus disk non anamorphic version that came with it, that would be the GOUT.
Of course I do... hoping I can find where I've put it. Is your version the LD preservation ? (Sorry I haven't followed your thread that far... Don't even know what GOUT stands for).
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Dark Jedi Knightno it is that exact version just touched up using g-force's script and made anamorphic.
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Conan The Barbarian 1982 US Theatrical (126 min), Conan The Barbarian 1982 Extended Edition (130 min), Night of The Living Dead 1990 Special Edition, The Ninja Trilogy.
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Fright Night Part II 1988, Star Wars 1977, A New Hope 1997 Special Edition, The Black Hole, True Lies, The Terminator, Terminator 2 Judgement Day, Swamp Thing, Feast, The Neverending Story.
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Dark Jedi KnightABC you have a PM.
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I'm sorry, ABC. I don't have the '04 disc available at the moment, my brother has borrowed it, so you'll have to get someone else to check it for you, if you cannot wait.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
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OUTBrothers... ahhh... Always taking our best stuff away ! I'll have to shake my home to find it...
D_J, I don't think if I'm going to make the film cut version in the end. For exemple, the insert (SE bit) from Ice planet is cut and has a repeated bit in that version, when Ady's reconstruction features the entire bit, even more complete than on the soundtrack. I guess the end of Yoda and the Force for other instance, is cut with a "March" bit, when here again Ady's reconstruction have the original score ending...
In the other hand, restoring the the unused score over the film mix would be great as far as I witness now... wow!...
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OUTThis work will be a little more difficult than I thought. But it will also be more interesting than I thought. It's worth working on the synchronization a little further than just pasting my tracks as they are.
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OUTI was thinking... What about the idea of leaving the subtitles, if thereare ones of course ?
dark_jedi
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Dark Jedi KnightThere are no Alien subs for ESB.
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OUT"Alien" ? Does it stand for "foreign" ?... I was thinking about English sub anyway.
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Dark Jedi KnightOH, well I won't be adding those, last time I tried they were red and crappy looking.
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OUTI'm only afraid the silent parts will be kind of annoying...
Perhaps we'd get a revealing vision if we removed all the unscored parts, like clips fading to black between each others. I don't know. I'm just proposing, it's your choice anyway. ;)
... What about ?
dark_jedi
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Dark Jedi KnightThe music usually stops around dialogue right, why not just have the dialogue come back in until music starts again.
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OUTdark_jedi said:
The music usually stops around dialogue right, why not just have the dialogue come back in until music starts again.
I thought about it too. I'm gonna try this, without strong conviction ;)
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dark_jedi said:
The music usually stops around dialogue right, why not just have the dialogue come back in until music starts again.
I thought about it too. I'm gonna try this, without strong conviction ;)
you need to fill the silence? I got three words for you:
BATTLETOADS . PAUSE . MUSIC .
... And they had 'The Empire Strikes Back', the fifth of the four Star Wars films. He is fucking with us numerically, isn't he! "Children, count up to ten." "Four, five, six, one, two, three, ten". No, it goes, four, five, six, one, two, three… No, it goes: four, five, six. One... Two and three have not been made." "Two and three have not been made! What should they be?" "What should they be? We do not know. All we know is that there will be a big floppy character in it that goes, squawk squawk squawk... who needs a punch up the bracket!"
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Dark Jedi KnightLeonardo said:
you need to fill the silence? I got three words for you:
BATTLETOADS . PAUSE . MUSIC .
HUH?
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aka PancakesI feel like bringing the dialogue or whatever back in during the silent passages defeats the purpose of having an isolated score.
Having English subtitles (as an option?) wouldn't be a bad idea - I usually turn them on when I listen to isolated scores anyway.
Dark_Jedi & ABC's - ESB: *IMPERIAL EDITION* - ART OF SCORING, *Restored Recordings against the B&W GOUT* - JW & LSO