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DTS soundtracks on laserdisc and not on DVD or BD?
DTS soundtracks on laserdisc and not on DVD or BD?
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Laserdisc MasterI'd like to know which title of the following list
has not a DVD and/or BD edition with a DTS soundtrack
OR
where the DTS soundtrack is present, the DVD/BD edition is different from theatrical presentation but the laserdisc is the same
OR
the DTS soundtrack is half bitrate (768kbps) - where laserdisc are 1441kbps - or the quality is not that good
OR
simply, there is no DVD or BD edition at all!
This to determine which title could be eligible for a DTS soundtrack restoration, using the laserdisc DTS soundtrack and the best video available (BD or, if not available, DVD or, if there is no digital edition at all, the laserdisc video).
So, here you are a list of NTSC USA laserdiscs with DTS Digital Surround soundtrack:
001) … 12 Monkeys (1995) 43208
002) … Alien Resurrection (1997) 0032584
003) … Apollo 13 (1995) 43119
004) … Armageddon (1998) 16066 AS
005) … Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery: Special Edition (1997) ID4402LI
006) … Babe (1995) 43209
007) … Blade (1998) ID5423LI
008) … Blown Away (1994) ML106171
009) … Boogie Nights (1997) ID4415LI
010) … Born on the Fourth of July (1989) *** ID4482MC
011) … Broken Arrow (1996) 0896384
012) … Carlito's Way (1993) ID4425MC
013) … Casino (1995) 43117 -> The BD is DTS 5.1 but likely a new mix.
014) … Casper (1995) 43120
015) … Con Air (1997) 12881 AS
016) … Crimson Tide (1995) 12156 AS
017) … Crow, The (1994) 12157 AS
018) … Dante's Peak (1997) 43364
019) … Dark City (1998) ID4643LI -> theatrical was reissued as a bonus to the Director's cut and not in DTS.
020) … Daylight (1996) 43271
021) … Deep Rising (1998) 15066 AS
022) … Die Hard (1988) *** 0890584 -> original sound mix altered for all 5.1 remixes.
023) … Die Hard 2: Die Harder (1990) *** 0890684 -> original sound mix altered for all 5.1 remixes.
024) … Die Hard 3: With A Vengeance (1995) 0885884 -> New BD audio very strong but not as detailed as a 1995 film should be, suspect a remix and not theatrical.
025) … Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story (1993) ID4426MC
026) … Dragonheart (1996) 43207
027) … Eagles: Hell Freezes Over (1994) ID4065GF
028) … English Patient, The (1996) 12356 AS
029) … Eric Clapton: Unplugged (1992) ID4747WO
030) … Evita (1996) §§§ 12096 AS -> original theatrical sound was Dolby Digital.
031) … Firestorm (1997) 0277384
032) … Flubber (1997) 14687 AS
033) … Frighteners, The (1996) 43274
034) … From Dusk Till Dawn (1996) 12160 AS
035) … Game, The (1997) ID4386PG
036) … Gate to the Mind's Eye, The (1994) ID4068MM
037) … Get Shorty (1995) ML107093
038) … Getaway, The (1994) ID4471MC
039) … Goldeneye: Special Edition (1995) ML105987 -> 2006 BD loses it's thunderous bass and LFE.
040) … Good Will Hunting (1997) 15112 AS
041) … Great Expectations (1998) 0449284
042) … Halloween: H20 (1998) 16070 AS
043) … Happy Gilmore (1996) ID4423MC
044) … Hard Target (1993) 43276
045) … Heart and Souls (1993) ID4483MC
046) … Hercules (1997) 15067 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.
047) … Hoodlum (1997) ML107094
048) … Hunchback of Notre Dame, The (1996) 12354 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.
049) … In the Mouth of Madness: Special Edition (1994) ID3751LI
050) … In the Name of the Father (1993) ID4484MC
051) … Independence Day: ID4 (1996) 0411884
052) … Jackal, The (1997) ID4424MC
053) … Jackie Brown (1997) 15065 AS -> BD mix is DTS 5.1 but may be sweetened as Tarantino likes to tweak his films for video.
054) … Jackie Chan's First Strike (1996) ID4713LI -> American dubbed and re-cut version.
055) … Jurassic Park (1993) 43115
056) … Kingpin (1996) ML107092
057) … Kull the Conqueror (1997) ID4422MC
058) … Last Man Standing (1996) ID3735LI
059) … Liar Liar (1997) 43365
060) … Long Kiss Goodnight, The (1996) ID3738LI
061) … Lost in Space (1998) ID4712LI
062) … Lost World, The: Jurassic Park (1997) 43366
063) … Man in the Iron Mask, The: Special Edition (1998) ML107203
064) … Mask, The (1994) ID3752LI
065) … Mimic (1997) 14343 AS
066) … Mortal Kombat: Annihilation (1997) ID4421LI
067) … Mortal Kombat: Special Edition (1995) ID3753LI -> The audio on the Mortal Kombat BD is weak compared to the DTS LD. There was also a commentary track never carried over to DVD or Blu.
068) … Most Wanted (1997) ID4716LI
069) … Mr. Holland's Opus (1995) 12161 AS
070) … Mr. Nice Guy (1997) ID4715LI
071) … Mulholland Falls (1996) ML107089
072) … Nightmare Before Christmas, The (1993) 12162 AS
073) … Nutty Professor, The (1996) 43272
074) … Phenomenon (1996) 12159 AS
075) … Pocahontas (1995) 12158 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.
076) … Pulp Fiction (1994) 12154 AS
077) … Quest, The (1996) 43367
078) … Red Corner (1997) ML107096
079) … River Wild, The (1994) 43275
080) … Rob Roy (1995) ML107090
081) … Rock, The (1996) 12155 AS
082) … Ronin: Special Edition (1998) ML107602 -> BD uses LD DTS bitrate so it may be the same track.
083) … Rush Hour (1998) ID5477LI
084) … Schindler's List (1993) 43277
085) … Scream 2 (1997) 14607 AS
086) … Scream: Director's Edition (1996) 14797 AS
087) … Seven (1995) ID3750LI
088) … Shadow, The (1994) 43116 -> The German BD has LD DTS bitrate so it may be the same and theatrical; there was an early DVD of The Shadow with a DTS track, fullscreen unfortunately.
089) … Shine (1996) ID3957LI
090) … Six Days Seven Nights (1998) 16069 AS
091) … Spawn: The Movie: Special Edition (1997) ID4236LI
092) … Species (1995) ML105760
093) … Speed (1994) 0896784
094) … Stargate: Deluxe Edition (1994) LD 60231-DTS
095) … Strange Days (1995) 0893984
096) … Street Fighter (1994) 43368
097) … Sudden Death (1995) 43210
098) … Super Speedway: IMAX (1997) ID4717OW
099) … Timecop (1994) 43211
100) … Tina Turner: Live in Amsterdam (1996) ID4019ER
101) … Titanic (1997) LV334812-WSDTS
102) … Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) ML107148 -> 2006 BD loses the surround clarity and in it's unbelievable discrete effects.
103) … Toy Story (1995) 12153 AS
104) … True Lies (1994) 0864084
105) … Vertigo (1958) *** 43212 -> is the bad 5.1 remix with horridly intrusive new foley work. The new BD mix is supposedly a new and more faithful mix. The film is best in original mono.
106) … Village of the Damned (1995) 43278
107) … Volcano (1997) 0603984
108) … Wag the Dog (1997) ID4646LI
109) … Waterworld (1995) 43118
110) … Wedding Singer, The (1998) ID4686LI
111) … West Side Story (1961) *** ML107088
112) … X-Files: The Movie (1998) 0044884
*** the movie's soundtrack was not originally recorded in a multi-channel, digital audio format; these laserdiscs' DTS soundtracks have been created by re-mastering the film's original analog soundtrack
§§§ the movie's soundtrack was originally recorded in a multi-channel digital audio format other than DTS Digital Surround
--> notes about DVD/BD DTS soundtrack (THANKS TO THE MEMBERS WHO POSTED HERE!)
TITLES IN BOLD - movies I own
STRIKEDTHROUGH - movies that doesn't deserve a DTS soundtrack restoration for one of this reasons:
(DVD) DVD available with a DTS soundtrack better than the laserdisc edition
(BD) Blu-Ray available with a DTS soundtrack better than the laserdisc edition
(BD/DVD) Both DVD and Blu-Ray have better DTS soundtrack than laserdisc
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Padawan LearnerMake sure you remember that DTS was FIRST available in 1993 with the release of Jurassic Park.
I would guess that a movies soundtrack is mixed for a theater before it's mixed for home video ..... at least back in the day and maybe not so much now. That being said, I personally don't know of a definitive way to separate the how, what, where, when, and why of different audio mixes for different video formats.
I DO know that aside from some of the earlier titles, most Super Bit audio was half-rate DTS but I could not tell you which early ones were full. I have Spiderman 1 & 2 and Batman Begins on Super Bit and they are all half-rate. The X-Files DTS DVD I have is also half-rate DTS.
I hope this helps and doesn't confuse......
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Tauntaun herder-Damn Fool Idealistic CrusaderWow, that's a lot of DTS titles you own!I'd love to have a few more personally, but it's primarily Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies I'm after.
Theatrical mixes seemingly and not reissued If I am not mistaken:
013) … Casino (1995) 43117: The BD is DTS 5.1 but likely a new mix. I have the regular LD and love the sound.
019) … Dark City (1998) ID4643LI-theatrical was reissued as a bonus to the Director's cut and not in DTS.
022) … Die Hard (1988) *** 0890584-original sound mix altered for all 5.1 remixes.
023) … Die Hard 2: Die Harder (1990) *** 0890684-need to check but may be same as first film.
024) … Die Hard 3: With A Vengeance (1995) 0885884-New BD audio very strong but not as detailed as a 1995 film should be, suspect a remix and not theatrical.
046) … Hercules (1997) 15067 AS
048) … Hunchback of Notre Dame, The (1996) 12354 AS
075) … Pocahontas (1995) 12158 AS
These Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so these are original.
053) … Jackie Brown (1997) 15065 AS-BD mix is DTS 5.1 but may be sweetened as Tarantino likes to tweak his films for video.
054) … Jackie Chan's First Strike (1996) ID4713LI-AMerican dubbed and re-cut version.
082) … Ronin: Special Edition (1998) ML107602-BD uses LD DTS bitrate so it may be the same track. Someone with both will have to compare side by side.
088) … Shadow, The (1994) 43116-I have this one and the sound is STELLAR. The German BD has LD DTS bitrate so it may be the same and theatrical. Again someone with both would have to compare.
039) … Goldeneye: Special Edition (1995) ML105987
102) … Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) ML107148 Both of the Bonds, lose heavily in the remixes. Goldeneye loses it's thunderous bass and LFE, and TND loses the surround clarity and in it's unbelievable discrete effects. The 5.1 ac3 versions and SE DVDs are okay so it's only on the 2006/BD remix.
105) … Vertigo (1958) *** 43212, is the bad 5.1 remix with horridly intrusive new foley work. The new BD mix is supposedly a new and more faithful mix. The film is best in original mono.
As far as others, here are a few off the top of my head:
The "Director's Cut"s of Lethal Weapon 1-3 are DVD only and have full bitrate DTS.
Die Another Day has it's original DTS-ES matrixed 6.1 channel mix on the initial SE DVD, and on no other version. The World is Not Enough had a similar mix that was never released. The Japan LD is theatrical ac3 Dolby EX matrix 6.1.
DTS audio for Batman Forever never released. All mixes on 2005 DVDs and BDs for the original Batman series came from heavily filtered audio masters and then put into Dolby/DTS codecs. LD has theatrical audio in ac3 and Dolby surround.
Original DTS for The Matrix never released.
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Better Grumpy than Dopeydfnyc said in the other thread that there were problems with the BD DTS for Evita.
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I am ready for the trials!There was an early DVD of The Shadow with a DTS track. Fullscreen unfortunately.
The audio on the Mortal Kombat Blu Ray is weak compared to the DTS LD. There was also a commentary track never carried over to DVD or Blu.
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Laserdisc MasterThanks, I provided to edit the first post with your comments.
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Jedi Knight_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Thanks, I provided to edit the first post with your comments.
Actually, no. You should change evita.
*** shouldn't be next to it. And there's a problem with the BD, not the LD.
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Laserdisc Masterdigitalfreaknyc said:
Actually, no. You should change evita.
*** shouldn't be next to it. And there's a problem with the BD, not the LD.
You are right, as *** was put wrongly there; according to this post - and to IMDB (see technical specs) the original soundtrack was Dolby Digital - so I changed the description and added §§§ original soundtrack was not DTS. Maybe the Xmas lunch was a little too heavy to think clearly... (#@@)
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Jedi Knight_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
digitalfreaknyc said:
Actually, no. You should change evita.
*** shouldn't be next to it. And there's a problem with the BD, not the LD.
You are right, as *** was put wrongly there; according to this <a href="http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Preserving-DTS-LaserDisc-tracks-specifically-Jurassic-Park/post/616070/#TopicPost616070" target="_blank">post</a> - and to <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116250/" target="_blank">IMDB</a> (see technical specs) the original soundtrack was Dolby Digital - so I changed the description and added §§§ original soundtrack was not DTS. Maybe the Xmas lunch was a little too heavy to think clearly... (#@@)
Again, IMDB is, many times, wrong. Just because it doesn't say DTS on that doesn't mean that there wasn't a DTS mix. The simple solution is to check the credits at the end of the movie to see if there's a DTS logo, no?
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I am ready for the trials!This brings up an interesting question. One multiplex I haven't been to in a long time was all DTS. What would they do with a film like Evita?
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Padawan LearnerSilverWook said:
This brings up an interesting question. One multiplex I haven't been to in a long time was all DTS. What would they do with a film like Evita?
If they had it ..... it probably was sent to the next theater when they were done or back to the distributors. As for the DTS discs that accompanied it .... they are either still at the theater in storage, sent back with the film, in the trash, or in the hands of collectors.....these are just guesses.
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I am ready for the trials!I meant what soundtrack would be heard? Evita does not have a DTS credit at the end...
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Laserdisc Masterdigitalfreaknyc said:
Again, IMDB is, many times, wrong. Just because it doesn't say DTS on that doesn't mean that there wasn't a DTS mix. The simple solution is to check the credits at the end of the movie to see if there's a DTS logo, no?
SilverWook said:
I meant what soundtrack would be heard? Evita does not have a DTS credit at the end...
So, it seems I must leave Evita with the §§§ ...
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Padawan LearnerWell, it would probably have the option of Dolby Digital, SDDS, or Dolby Stereo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound-on-film
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Jedi KnightSilverWook said:
I meant what soundtrack would be heard? Evita does not have a DTS credit at the end...
That's really strange. It had a LD, DVD and BD release in DTS. I'm surprised. I wonder what that DTS mix is based on, then.
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Tauntaun herder-Damn Fool Idealistic CrusaderThe print backup is always supposed to be an optical Dolby stereo with or without matrixed surround track on the print, and I think this would also go for DTS films. Every one I've seen photos of has the Dolby optical backup.
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Padawan LearnerDTS audio for Batman Forever never released.
Original DTS for The Matrix never released.
At least we have these.
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DTS soundtracks on laserdisc and not on DVD or BD?