Comparison pic 10: the Stardestroyer with the different engine glow was a '97 recomp, that is also the case with the whole opening shot. ;)

doubleofive said:

~39 frames 2004
~28 frames 1977

It may not seem like a lot, but I think it is.

 Ok, I checked it and it's identical in the '81 opening...

~28 frames 1977

~39 frames 1981 & '97/'04

 ...maybe they'll get the musical timing right again on the fourth version. ;)

Ok, you may be right about it. I just realised that my '97-source is in PAL format, sorry. ;) Completely forgot about it.

Alright, lets once and for all break this down:

1977: Logo recedes at a normal pace, original starfield, original crawl without Episode IV which appears at correct musical cue, slow pan down with Tatooine appearing at correct musical cue.

1981: Logo recedes at a normal pace, new starfield, new crawl with Episode IV which appears after the musical cue, fast pan down with Tatooine and third moon appearing before musical cue. (all home video versions)

1997: Logo recedes at a normal pace, 1977 starfield, 1981 crawl with Episode IV which appears after the musical cue, fast pan down with Tatooine (no third moon) appearing before musical cue.

2004: Logo recedes at a faster pace, 1977 starfield, 1981 crawl with Episode IV which appears after the musical cue, fast pan down with Tatooine (no third moon) appearing before musical cue.

REVISITED: Logo recedes at a normal pace, 1977 starfield, 1981 crawl with Episode IV which appears at correct musical cue, slow pan down to Tatooine (with third moon) appearing at correct music cue.

BIG QUESTION: Some have said the crawls were digitally recreated for the SE. Is this true?

Added another shot:



Figured I'd grab the obvious mistakes. Any others I should be aware of?

The fast receding logo first appeared in the 1997 SE, that I am 110% sure of, with PAL source or not. I believe that what ChainsawAsh means is that the '04 version was even further sped up. He seems pretty sure about it, I haven't checked that yet.

And where comes this third moon talk from? I posted a link to the '81 opening shot on the previous page, here you have a beautiful pic of the matte painting which was used for the shot, http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070811234427/starwars/images/7/7f/Tatooine.jpg 

I cannot see it??

You know, I'm not sure. I know that Adywan added a third moon to Revisited, and others have mentioned it...

Sorry if my last post came of as sounding rude, I'm just curious if I've actually missed something here?

No, I'm genuinely curious too. Adywan talked as if it was obviously supposed to be there:



I'd ask him, but I think he's pretty shaken up about his dad.

EDIT: Nearest I can glean from Wookieepedia is that there are 3 moons in AotC, so Ady may have added it instead of taking one away from AotC in the future.

Well, I've never seen his fan edit but that moon isn't in any official version of the film.

msycamore said:

Well, I've never seen his fan edit but that moon isn't in any official version of the film.

So this is more accurate:

1977: Logo recedes at a normal pace, original starfield, original crawl without Episode IV which appears at correct musical cue, slow pan down with Tatooine appearing at correct musical cue.

1981: Logo recedes at a normal pace, new starfield, new crawl with Episode IV which appears after the musical cue, fast pan down with Tatooine appearing before musical cue. (all home video versions)

1997: Logo recedes at a faster pace, 1977 starfield, 1981 crawl with Episode IV which appears after the musical cue, fast pan down with Tatooine appearing before musical cue.

2004: Logo recedes at a possibly even faster pace, 1977 starfield, 1981 crawl with Episode IV which appears after the musical cue, fast pan down with Tatooine appearing before musical cue.

REVISITED: Logo recedes at a normal pace, 1977 starfield, 1981 crawl with Episode IV which appears at correct musical cue, slow pan down to Tatooine appearing at correct music cue.

I don't think they digitally recreated the opening crawls.

I dug up some old articles I remembered reading and Knoll didn't mention redoing the ones from the classic trilogy digitally.

http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/bts/production/f19990602/index.html?page=1

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/f20050126/index.html?page=1

Cool articles. I wonder why they just didn't recreate them for the SE. I'm betting they will for the 3Dification.

Ok, I compared the 1997 SE with the 2004 DVD crawl frame by frame and they are exactly the same as I thought, the weird thing is, even though the 1981 SW logo recedes much slower than the SE, it disappear much earlier cause the SE logo slows down after a while.

Maybe I could convert the opening of the '97 crawl and post a clip of it, so you could see for yourself. I tried to post comparison images of it earlier but imagehack is really fucked up sometimes. :(

But... maybe the PAL-master of the '97SE have a different crawl, but I really doubt it.

ChainsawAsh said:

Are you comparing PAL '97 to PAL '04? 

No, I don't even own the '04 in PAL format. If you don't believe me, you could always check your VHS tape or wait for me to convert the "flunk" footage to NTSC...

'97 Crawl from "reivax"

Edit: deleted

No, I'm not but the video clip is from a french broadcast. Ok, we try sendspace instead.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vwl3oa