Colour problem with CCE

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pittrek's avatar
Colour problem with CCE

I have a problem with blacks. Don't fear, I'm not an racist, but I have a serious colour problem when I'm trying to do my little "project" :-)

 

Simply, the colour of the black bars is not black, it's (16, 16, 16), no matter what I try. When I open the Avisynth script in e.g. VirtualDubMod, the black bars are really black (0,0,0) but the resulting mpg2 is (16,16,16).

 

I remember I had this problems many years ago when I was doing my version 1.0 of Star Wars, but I think the solution was to change the Luminance Level value in Cinema Craft Encoder's Video Settings, but it doesn't help.

It doesn't matter if I select the Luminance Level to 16-235 or 0-255, the result is always the same.

 

Any tips for this ? Thanks

ChainsawAsh's avatar
RE: Colour problem with CCE

Video black is 16, video white is 235.  That's 100% normal, and it's not a problem at all.

And NEVER set your luminance level to 0-255!!!!  Even if it doesn't seem to have any issues, you will still end up with an illegal video signal that could play back improperly on some displays.

Remember - ALWAYS 16-235, NEVER 0-255!

pittrek's avatar
RE: Colour problem with CCE

There are 2 problems :

1) I'm joining 2 sources together - one (SE DVD - sourced) has black bars really black (0, 0, 0), the second one (GOUT upsized to anamorphic and color corrected) has black bars (16, 16, 16)

2) I have done color correction of this problematic source, and the only way how the colors look "natural" is with the 0-255 "range". In other words, the avs script looks great while playing it, but the colors of the resulting mpv file look pretty bad

 

Moth3r's avatar
RE: Colour problem with CCE

What colourspace does your script output? The luminance level setting in CCE only has any effect if the source is RGB.

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ChainsawAsh's avatar
RE: Colour problem with CCE

Are you talking about the letterboxing?  Crop it out completely, color correct the source so it's at 16-235, then add in new black bars that are at 16 IRE.

You might also have to do more radical color correction to the SE source if it's been rendered in the wrong color space in order to make it look right.

pittrek's avatar
RE: Colour problem with CCE

Moth3r said:

What colourspace does your script output? The luminance level setting in CCE only has any effect if the source is RGB.

Hm ... very good question. I have a feeling that the SE video is RGB, but the GOUT-sourced video was YV12() . I have to check it when I come home, thanks for the tip

pittrek's avatar
RE: Colour problem with CCE

ChainsawAsh said:

Are you talking about the letterboxing?  Crop it out completely, color correct the source so it's at 16-235, then add in new black bars that are at 16 IRE.

You might also have to do more radical color correction to the SE source if it's been rendered in the wrong color space in order to make it look right.

I've been already thinking about it

pittrek's avatar
RE: Colour problem with CCE

Yes, it was a colorspace problem, thanks

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