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darth_ender
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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5-Jan-2012, 11:55 AM

Counting the "maybes" is actually a bit of a challenge.  If I count it 1/2 a yes vote and 1/2 a no vote, it's meaningless and has no effect on the outcome.  If I simply count it as 1/2 a yes vote, it might skew things in a direction that doesn't really represent what we want.  So here's what I'm thinking.  I will only count the yes and no votes in the final tally.  The maybe votes will then count as 1/2, and if they change an overall no vote to a yes, that topic will be automatically be reconsidered in the next round of votes, and we should continue to actively debate it.  I hope that is fair to everyone.

 

Also note that I had to interpret many of your submissions.  For instance, if someone said, "I think I like that, but I'm not sure," I counted it as a maybe.  If someone said, "That's a nice idea," I counted it as a yes.  If you feel I misplaced your vote, either because I misinterpreted your statements or because I just made a human error, simply let me know and we can correct it.

 

So without further ado, the raw results.  I will count them up momentarily.

 

Length:

1.      At least 120 minutes to avoid too short a film – Y – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; N - ; M -

 

Music:

1.      Across the Stars – Y – MrInsaneA, Ronster, emanswfan, darth_ender; N – DominicCobb, timdiggerm, Vladius, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, Angel; M - aalenfae

2.      Death Star Theme (Vader’s approach to DSII) – Y – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; N - ; M - timdiggerm, fishmanlee

3.      Swing Swing Swing in place of Lapti Nek/Jedi Rocks – Y – MrInsaneA, Vladius, emanswfan, fishmanlee; N – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, TheoOdo, Angel; M - darth_ender

4.      Duel of the Fates (space battle) – Y – MrInsaneA, Ronster, emanswfan; N – timdiggerm, Vladius, aalenfae, Angel; M - fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender

5.      Stick with ’97 celebration music as opposed to Yub Nub [suggestions for alternate songs brought up] – Y – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae; N – DominicCobb [suggested new composition] , Angel [suggested new song]; M -

6.      Lapti Nek instead of Jedi Rocks (but with SE footage) – Y – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo, darth_ender; N – MrInsaneA, fishmanlee, aalenfae (cut whole scene); M - Angel

 

Coruscant:

1.      Opening scene stealing DSII info on surface – Y – timdiggerm, emanswfan, TheoOdo; N – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, aalenfae; M - fishmanlee, darth_ender, Angel

2.      Endor is a moon of Coruscant – Y – Vladius, TheoOdo; N - MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, aalenfae, Angel, emanswfan; M - fishmanlee, darth_ender

3.      Blow up or threaten to blow up Coruscant – Y – timdiggerm, Vladius, fishmanlee; N – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; M -

4.      Move final Luke/Vader confrontation to Coruscant surface – Y – Vladius, emanswfan, TheoOdo; N – MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, fishmanlee, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; M -

 

Opening/Early scenes:

1.      Opening scene stealing DSII and trying to flee in ship, pursued by star destroyer, escape pod landing on planet surface – Y – timdiggerm, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo; N – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; M - fishmanlee

2.      Opening on Dagobah with minimal alterations to that scene, then on to Vader’s arrival at DSII, then on to Tatooine – Y – fishmanlee, darth_ender, Angel; N – MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo, aalenfae; M -

3.      Opening with Vader arriving at DSII, then on to Dagobah, then on to Tatooine. – Y timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, Vladius, aalenfae, Angel; N – Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo; M - fishmanlee, darth_ender

4.      Open with Executor near DSII, Vader mentally contacts Luke, Luke is in cave on Dagobah, back to DSII and Vader arrives, back to Dagobah – Y – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Vladius, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender; N – MrInsaneA, Ronster, emanswfan, aalenfae, Angel; M -

5.      Include Boushh (later we discover it’s Leia) as bounty hunter helping steal DSII info – Y – timdiggerm, Vladius, emanswfan, TheoOdo; N – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, fishmanlee, aalenfae, Angel; M - darth_ender

6.      DSII should be no where near Coruscant – Y – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, Angel; N – TheoOdo; M - darth_ender

7.      Include a scene somewhere between Dagobah and Tatooine that shows the DSII info being delivered to the Alliance, either to Mon Mothma or just to a ship – Y – DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo; N - MrInsaneA, aalenfae, Angel; M - timdiggerm, fishmanlee, darth_ender

8.      Include a scene as padding after Luke parts ways after rescuing Han where he goes back to Dagobah and goes to the Dark Side Cave – Y – Vladius, emanswfan, fishmanlee; N – MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel;

9.      Luke flies through Beggar’s Canyon as he arrives at Tatooine – Y – MrInsaneA, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo, Angel; N – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, fishmanlee; M - darth_ender

10.  Luke’s conversation with Obi-Wan takes place in Obi-Wan’s hut – Y - TheoOdo, aalenfae, aalenfae, Angel; N – MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, darth_ender; M – fishmanlee (only if necessary)

 

Tatooine/Rescuing Han:

1.      Luke uses the Force to close the Rancor gate, or at least to hurl the skull – Y – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; N - ; M -

2.      Remove the Sarlaac beak but keep the SE tentacles – Y – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae (plus additional ideas), Angel; N – MrInsaneA, emanswfan; M - fishmanlee

3.      Cut Max Rebo’s band (still include music, but don’t show them) – Y – DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo, darth_ender, Angel; N – MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, Vladius, fishmanlee; M – aalenfae (depends on if they can digitally be made to look alive)

 

Vader:

1.      Show a stronger Vader, not such a pushover to the Emperor (unspecified how) – Y – timdiggerm, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; N – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Vladius; M -

2.      Obi-Wan communicates with Vader – Y - TheoOdo, aalenfae; N – MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, darth_ender, Angel; M -

3.      A quicker-to-violence with underlings, still subservient to Emperor Vader – Y – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo, aalenfae, Angel; N – Vladius, fishmanlee; M - darth_ender

 

Boba Fett:

1.      Cut out Fett completely – Y – Vladius, fishmanlee, aalenfae (unless new footage filmed) , Angel; N – MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, TheoOdo; M - darth_ender

2.      Luke kills Fett, decapitates him – Y – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, fishmanlee; N - MrInsaneA, emanswfan, TheoOdo, aalenfae, Angel; M - darth_ender

3.      Han deliberately hits Boba Fett’s jetpack – Y – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Vladius, emanswfan, TheoOdo; N – Ronster, fishmanlee, aalenfae; M - darth_ender

4.      More Boba Fett action, i.e. flamethrower, jetting out of Sarlaac’s mouth, etc. – Y – MrInsaneA, Vladius, emanswfan, fishmanlee, Angel; N – DominicCobb, Ronster, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae; M - timdiggerm

5.      Fett delivers DS info to Rebellion (as treachery, or as an independent contractor) – Y - Vladius, TheoOdo; N – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; M - timdiggerm

6.      Boba Fett survives the destruction of Jabba’s barge – Y – timdiggerm, Vladius, emanswfan, TheoOdo; N – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, aalenfae; M - fishmanlee, darth_ender, Angel

7.      Boba Fett allows Jabba’s death to take over his criminal empire – Y – Vladius, emanswfan, Angel; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae; M -

 

Ewoks:

1.      Make them tougher by cutting cute actions, redubbing with more aggressive sounds – Y – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; N - ; – M - timdiggerm

2.      Give them vampire-like fangs – Y – Vladius, emanswfan; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae; M - Angel

3.      Ewoks actually use more language – Y – Vladius, Ronster, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, emanswfan; M - fishmanlee, Angel

4.      Remove Wicket’s first encounter with Leia to add mystery – Y – DominicCobb, Vladius, TheoOdo, aalenfae (or shorten it), Angel; N – MrInsaneA, Ronster, emanswfan; M - timdiggerm, fishmanlee, darth_ender

5.      Show Ewoks with stormtrooper helmets in village – Y – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; N - ; M -

 

Relationships:

1.      Cut indications of Han’s jealousy, as this was taken care of in ESB – Y – DominicCobb, Ronster, aalenfae; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, Vladius, emanswfan, fishmanlee, TheoOdo; M - darth_ender, Angel

2.      Cut Luke telling Leia they are siblings (but not Obi-Wan telling Luke) – Y - Ronster; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Vladius, emanswfan, fishmanlee, TheoOdo, darth_ender, aalenfae; M - Angel

 

Battle of Endor:

1.      Concentrate the various cuts, focusing first on action on DSII, then cover the surface battle, then cover the space battle, instead of jumping between the three – Y - Ronster, TheoOdo; N – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, emanswfan, darth_ender, Angel (wants more interesting scenes to alter between, but not to concentrate them); M - timdiggerm, fishmanlee

2.      Include many more ships, including more Mon Cal cruisers and Victory-class star destroyers – Y Mon Cal – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, emanswfan, darth_ender, Angel; Y – B-wings – timdiggerm, darth_ender; Y – Victories – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, emanswfan, darth_ender; N Victories – timdiggerm, Ronster, Angel; M – fishmanlee Y – other - aalenfae, Angel (wants more variety to Rebels, more uniformity among Empire)

3.      Include General Madine scenes, and have his Mon Cal cruiser be the first destroyed by the DSII – Y – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, Ronster (second cruiser), emanswfan, darth_ender (second cruiser) , aalenfae, Angel; N - ; M - fishmanlee

                                                                                              

Executor:

1.      A-wing fires missile at bridge – Y – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, emanswfan; N – MrInsaneA, Vladius, Ronster, fishmanlee, aalenfae, Angel; M - darth_ender

2.      Y-wing uses bombs on Executor – Y timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel (also suggests bombing the Death Star); N - ; M - fishmanlee

 

Lando:

1.      Let him die in DSII explosion – Y – DominicCobb, Ronster, Angel; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, Vladius, emanswfan, TV’s Frink, fishmanlee, darth_ender, aalenfae; M -

2.      Let him live as in original film – Y – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, Vladius, emanswfan, TV’s Frink, darth_ender, Angel; N – DominicCobb, aalenfae; M - Ronster, fishmanlee

3.      Make it appear as if he dies at first, then show later that he survives – Y – Vladius, emanswfan, fishmanlee, darth_ender, aalenfae, MrInsaneA; N – timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Ronster, Angel; M -

 

Ending:

1.      Anakin’s Force ghost appears at pyre scene instead of with Yoda and Obi-Wan - Y – fishmanlee (show him in both shots) , darth_ender, aalenfae; N – MrInsaneA, timdiggerm, DominicCobb, Vladius, Ronster, emanswfan; M - , Angel

2.      Put pyre scene at very end, after celebrations – Y – MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, Ronster, fishmanlee, darth_ender, aalenfae; N – Vladius, emanswfan, Angel; M – timdiggerm;

3.      Remove Anakin’s ghost completely – Y – DominicCobb, Ronster; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, Vladius, emanswfan, fishmanlee, aalenfae, Angel; M - darth_ender

4.      Pyre scene takes place on Tatooine instead of Endor – Y – DominicCobb, emanswfan; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, Vladius, Ronster, fishmanlee, aalenfae, Angel; M - darth_ender

5.      Remove celebrations throughout galaxy, only showing them on Endor – Y – Ronster; N – timdiggerm, MrInsaneA, DominicCobb, emanswfan, fishmanlee, darth_ender, aalenfae, Angel; M -