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darth_ender
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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5-Jan-2012, 12:44 PM

Length:

1.      At least 120 minutes to avoid too short a film – 10 to 0, a clear winner!

 

Music:

1.      Across the Stars – 4 ½ to 6.  Not quite.

2.      Death Star Theme (Vader’s approach to DSII) – 8 to 0, a clear winner

3.      Swing Swing Swing in place of Lapti Nek/Jedi Rocks – 4 ½ to 5, a near tie, and probably worth more discussion

4.      Duel of the Fates (space battle) – 4 ½ to 4, a near tie, automatically up for more discussion is needed.

5.      Stick with ’97 celebration music as opposed to Yub Nub [suggestions for alternate songs brought up] – 9 to 2, though there is discussion for original or alternate pieces as well.

6.      Lapti Nek instead of Jedi Rocks (but with SE footage) – 6 ½ to 1, pretty clear.

 

Coruscant:

1.      Opening scene stealing DSII info on surface – 4 ½ to 4, near tie, automatically up for more discussion

 2.      Endor is a moon of Coruscant – 3 to 6, not enough to win.

 3.      Blow up or threaten to blow up Coruscant – 3 to 8, not enough.

4.      Move final Luke/Vader confrontation to Coruscant surface – 3 to 8, not enough.

 

Opening/Early scenes:

1.      Opening scene stealing DSII and trying to flee in ship, pursued by star destroyer, escape pod landing on planet surface – 4 ½ to 5, near tie, probably should be up for more discussion.

2.      Opening on Dagobah with minimal alterations to that scene, then on to Vader’s arrival at DSII, then on to Tatooine – 3 to 7, not enough

3.      Opening with Vader arriving at DSII, then on to Dagobah, then on to Tatooine. – 6 to 3, seems to be the preferred format.

 4.      Open with Executor near DSII, Vader mentally contacts Luke, Luke is in cave on Dagobah, back to DSII and Vader arrives, back to Dagobah – 6 to 5, also pretty popular though strongly opposed as well, should be discussed further.

5.      Include Boushh (later we discover it’s Leia) as bounty hunter helping steal DSII info – 4 ½ to 6, not quite enough, but could be discussed further.

 6.      DSII should be no where near Coruscant – 6 ½ to 1, clearly not a popular choice.

 7.      Include a scene somewhere between Dagobah and Tatooine that shows the DSII info being delivered to the Alliance, either to Mon Mothma or just to a ship – Y – 6 ½ to 3, rather popular choice.

 8.      Include a scene as padding after Luke parts ways after rescuing Han where he goes back to Dagobah and goes to the Dark Side Cave – 3 to 8, no go.

9.      Luke flies through Beggar’s Canyon as he arrives at Tatooine – 6 ½ to 3, pretty popular.

 10.  Luke’s conversation with Obi-Wan takes place in Obi-Wan’s hut – 4 ½ to 7, probably not going to be included.

  

Tatooine/Rescuing Han:

1.      Luke uses the Force to close the Rancor gate, or at least to hurl the skull – 11 to 0, clear winner.

2.      Remove the Sarlaac beak but keep the SE tentacles – 8 ½ to 2, clear winner.

3.      Cut Max Rebo’s band (still include music, but don’t show them) – 6 ½ to 4, pretty clear winner.

  

Vader:

1.      Show a stronger Vader, not such a pushover to the Emperor (unspecified how) – 8 to 3, people want a tougher guy

2.      Obi-Wan communicates with Vader – 2 to 9, no go.

3.      A quicker-to-violence with underlings, still subservient to Emperor Vader – 8 ½ to 2, sounds like the way to go.

  

Boba Fett:

1.      Cut out Fett completely – 4 ½ to 6, fairly close, might want some continued discussion.

 2.      Luke kills Fett, decapitates him – 5 ½ to 5, very close, automatically up for further debate.

 3.      Han deliberately hits Boba Fett’s jetpack – 6 ½ to 3, a pretty clear winner.

 4.      More Boba Fett action, i.e. flamethrower, jetting out of Sarlaac’s mouth, etc. – 5 ½ to 5, pretty close, automatically up for further debate.

 5.      Fett delivers DS info to Rebellion (as treachery, or as an independent contractor) – 2 ½ to 8, not gonna happen.

 6.      Boba Fett survives the destruction of Jabba’s barge – 5 ½ to 4, automatically up for further debate due to the maybes, but otherwise pretty close.

 7.      Boba Fett allows Jabba’s death to take over his criminal empire – 3 to 8, not the will of the people.

 

Ewoks:

1.      Make them tougher by cutting cute actions, redubbing with more aggressive sounds – 10 ½ to 0, very popular.

2.      Give them vampire-like fangs – 3 ½ to 8, not very popular.

3.      Ewoks actually use more language – 6 to 4 fairly close, might want to continue discussion.

 4.      Remove Wicket’s first encounter with Leia to add mystery – 6 ½ to 3, a good win.

 5.      Show Ewoks with stormtrooper helmets in village – 11 to 0, very popular choice.

 

Relationships:

1.      Cut indications of Han’s jealousy, as this was taken care of in ESB – 4 to 6, probably not close enough, but could be discussed further.

 2.      Cut Luke telling Leia they are siblings (but not Obi-Wan telling Luke) – 1 ½ to 9, no go.

 

Battle of Endor:

1.      Concentrate the various cuts, focusing first on action on DSII, then cover the surface battle, then cover the space battle, instead of jumping between the three – 3 to 5, probably going to keep current format.

 2.      Include many more ships, including more Mon Cal cruisers and Victory-class star destroyers – This one was very confusing with the various comments in people’s votes.  Basically, it’s clear people want more ships and more fighting, but what ships are included is a big bone of contention and this should probably be up for vote in the next round (whenever that is)  Again, here is the raw data: Y Mon Cal – 7; Y B-wings – 2; Y Victories – 4; N Mon Cal - 0; N Victories – 3; M to all – 1; Y – other – 2

If you said yes, I usually (not perfectly consistently) included that for everything, but then I realized that might not be a fair way to count it.  Most wanted Mon Cals.  A few objected to Victories, but not enough to actually vote it down, some suggested even more ships, pointing out the need for B-wings, some suggested more variety to the Rebels and more uniformity to the Imperials.

 3.      Include General Madine scenes, and have his Mon Cal cruiser be the first destroyed by the DSII – 7 ½ to 0, rather popular choice.

         

Executor:

1.      A-wing fires missile at bridge – 3 ½ to 6, probably not going to happen.

 2.      Y-wing uses bombs on Executor – 9 ½ to 0, very popular, and also a suggestion to bomb the DSII to open the point where the ships enter the superstructure.

  

Lando:

1.      Let him die in DSII explosion – 3 to 8, I was initially very torn on this, but decided to let him live, as it fits better and would be hard to pull off the emotion of it.  A clear winner.

2.      Let him live as in original film – 8 to 2, a clear winner.

 3.      Make it appear as if he dies at first, then show later that he survives – 6 to 4, changed to reflect MrInsaneA's changed mind once he had a clearer understanding. 

Ending:

1.      Anakin’s Force ghost appears at pyre scene instead of with Yoda and Obi-Wan – 3 ½ to 6, I really liked this idea, but it looks like it’s voted down.

 2.      Put pyre scene at very end, after celebrations – 6 ½ to 3, a pretty clear win.

 3.      Remove Anakin’s ghost completely – 2 ½ to 7, not going to happen.

 4.      Pyre scene takes place on Tatooine instead of Endor – 2 ½ to 7, not going to happen, darn it.

 5.      Remove celebrations throughout galaxy, only showing them on Endor – 1 to 8, the celebrations stay.