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<..>Sort of a follow-up to this thread; what is the best source for the ~140 frames of the infamous Mos Eisley speeder pass-by shot?
This shot is one of the best examples from the GOUT DVD showing the detail loss as a result of DVNR smearing (upscaled to 720p):

Here's the same frame from the French THX laserdisc release - more detail is retained, but overall it still looks like shit:

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Padawan LearnerPerhaps a cleaned up Puggo? But I think negative 1 might trump all sources in the coming months....
What's the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
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negative1Mavimao said:
Perhaps a cleaned up Puggo? But I think negative 1 might trump all sources in the coming months....
yup, we hope so.
will definitely get back to you,
once we get around to it.
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Han D. SoloMoth3r said:
Sort of a follow-up to this thread; what is the best source for the ~140 frames of the infamous Mos Eisley speeder pass-by shot?
This shot is one of the best examples from the GOUT DVD showing the detail loss as a result of DVNR smearing (upscaled to 720p):
Here's the same frame from the French THX laserdisc release - more detail is retained, but overall it still looks like shit:
How's this:
DeEd v2.0:
Done using a cleaned up version of JSC (thanks to Laserschwert).
I'm actually considering graining it up a bit for the final version, since this clean, it seems inaccurate.
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Moth3r said:
Sort of a follow-up to this thread; what is the best source for the ~140 frames of the infamous Mos Eisley speeder pass-by shot?
If we're talking laserdisc, I would say it's either the SC

or SWE (Technidisc)

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I've been wondering about this recently too. Personally, I think the SWE has the edge over the JSC.
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Han D. SoloThe SWE seems to have more horizontal resolution than the JSC but less vertical. It's hard to decide what looks better. Also, I think the JSC seems to look worse because it's less contrasty, compare it with the DeEd, which uses the JSC but it's cleaned up and the colours are tweaked:
JSC
SWE
DeEd
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I No My Spelling and Grammar Stinks. If I offend I am Sorry.
SWE has more horizontal resolution? JSC has more vertical resolution? ?Some one needs to make some software that can combine the to of them.
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red5-626 said: Some one needs to make some software that can combine the to of them.
Yes, I was wondering if it would be possible to warp one to fit the other, but I was thinking about doing it to clean one up.
@Harmy
I see your point, and it is hard to decide, but I wonder what would the SWE would look like if you were to give it the same treatment as you gave the JSC.
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Han D. SoloWell, this shot always looked like crap, having just seen what this shot looks like on a well preserved IB print, it doesn't get much better that these DVNR-less LD captures.
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Might be one situation where a super-resolution filter might clean up the edges, even if it can't restore any real detail.
(Does a little research and realizes negative-1 has already been experimenting with the idea for general up-scaling. Oops! )
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This shot should be grainy, clean it up, and you just make the effect stand out as even more fake, I can understand why Harmy needs to do it as it needs to fit the rest of his footage. Personally I think it's a little too clean, fine detail is gone along with a slightly flat and blurry quality, especially were the sky meets the buildings.
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Han D. SoloWell, yeah, it had to fit with the SE footage within the same shot. Like I said, I'm gonna add the grain back for the final version (though probably not as much).
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Harmy said:
Well, yeah, it had to fit with the SE footage within the same shot. Like I said, I'm gonna add the grain back for the final version (though probably not as much).
Oh, I see. I guess it also looks much better in motion.
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Han D. SoloYeah, it does.
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BTW if some are interested in specific smearfree scenes from the Technidisc, I can always upload them in lossless avi for you. But if you think the Special Collection is dirty you haven't seen this one. ;)
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negative1darnit, still getting to that shot..soon,
but here's a previous one... sample over
60 frames, every 10 frames..
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-1 what type of denoising are you using or is the smooth look just a result of downscaling, would love to see one or two raw.
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negative1Red5 said:
-1 what type of denoising are you using or is the smooth look just a result of downscaling, would love to see one or two raw.
no denoising, it's just a simple rescale from this:

slightly bigger 720p version here:
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http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3382/sw140000.jpg
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Thanks -1
Interesting to see how much more is visible in the 35mm compared to the GOUT even after cropping the rounded corners, right side should perhaps be cropped slightly more and it also depends on how much you can keep due to the overall condition of the print, it still looks a bit to smooth though probably due to rescaling/compression.

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This space for rentActually, the reason the 35mm looks "too smooth" to you compared to the GOUT is because the GOUT came from an interpositive. Even with the low resolution, the excessive grain, the clipped whites, the DVNR and the other problems with the GOUT, there is still some visible detail in it that was not in evidence on actual projection prints, due to the fact that there are at least two additional generations of duping between an IP and a print.
EDIT: What I just said is incorrect - listen to Harmy, not me.
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Han D. SoloYeah, no.
A) We're talking high resolution here, a good 35mm theatrical print should have resolution equivalent to up to 1080p but at least 720p, so a non anamorphic SD telecine can not compete with it in terms of detail, even if it was telecined from the original negative.
B) The medium of capturing image on film is grain, so a print will never be less grainy (smoother) than an earlier generation source - it will have the grain of all the previous generations + another layer of grain of its own.
Pennsylvania Jones said:
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Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!