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I hope they got someone like Robert Harris to work on it because he restored the Godfather beautifully.  I would be horrified if this is the first time they release the 2:35:1 version and it used the same color timing as the redux, aka not the original theatrical release, or if they ruined it with digital video noise reduction.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I can't really watch the Complete Dossier because of the fact that it uses Redux for the source of the original film. They have different looks and hopefully the original will be transferred separately.

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captainsolo said:

I can't really watch the Complete Dossier because of the fact that it uses Redux for the source of the original film.

That is a shame.  Does it really trouble you that much?  I see the color difference, but as color differences in transfers go it seems slight to me.  I suppose you watch the old Paramount (NTSC) DVD.

I hope your wish for separate transfers for both editions is granted, but I would guess that there will be seamless branching using the same transfer.  You might be lucky though!

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I don't see much of a color difference, personally.  I dunno, maybe my eyes just aren't very good, but they look about the same - definitely not near as drastic as the difference between the Blade Runner director's cut and "final cut."

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As usual, DVD Beaver has some comparisons.  

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/Reviews/apocalypse_now.htm

Blade Runner is a pretty drastic change.  I hated the new colors when I first saw the Final Cut, but when I watched the DC and FC back-to-back yesterday, I ended up preferring the FC color timing in some scenes.  Others are too blue though.

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That exact link is where I looked earlier.  I still don't notice much of a difference.  The Complete Dossier is a little darker, and maybe a wee bit on the blue side, but nothing significant at all.

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ChainsawAsh said:  I still don't notice much of a difference.  The Complete Dossier is a little darker, and maybe a wee bit on the blue side, but nothing significant at all.

That is basically what I thought too.  I posted the link for everybody for reference really. :-) 

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Maybe it's just me, but I just remember AN looking much different than what is presented on the Dossier.

It may have come from originally watching the vhs on a very saturated old tv.

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ok to get a definitive cut of AN.......what would be needed before i begin to edit....and  what aspect ratio would work for whole project

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What do you mean by "a definitive cut"?  Whatever you mean, I suggest you wait for the Blu-ray release, use 2.35:1 and start your own thread in Fanedits of Other Films.

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Would'nt it be pretty much impossible to re-intergate the roughcut footage because the quality is so bad.

Or do you mean that you want to make a cut somewhere in between the theatrical and the redux?

This question is for jswert12, not Chewtabaccy,lol. 

 

 

 

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Just was reading that interview and came over to comment about the caps. They seem very different from the 2001 and a bit more like the ones I remember from my first viewing years ago.

Wish they had done a separate transfer for the Theatrical cut instead of just using the Redux IP. At least that IP is Technicolor dye transfer, and this whole thing is 2.35!

Probably will buy this although I don't have a player yet...

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Is there anyone have Apocalypse Now (Three-Disc Full Disclosure Edition) BluRay?

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I have it, but I cannot watch it yet as my sound system is set up incorrectly.

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I have ... er ... a copy of it in 720p.  It looks pretty fantastic, and it is, in fact, the full 2.39:1 AR.

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I have it, but my PS3 and my BD-Rom seem impossible to read he first disc :( hope some further PS3 update will fix this... or maybe some new BD-Rom one day...

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My roommate's PS3 stopped reading discs entirely.  Apparently the blue laser in the disc drives of PS3's are faulty and are highly likely to fail at some point.

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It's the only Disc that causes trouble with my PS3.

Its one of the first european PS3 releases with a 60gb HDD (now 600 gb *g*) and the software emulation for PS2 games.

My PC has an old Pioneer BD-Rom (About 2 years old), it reads every disc except the Apocalypse Now Disc. Even the red fox fails to read the disc complete. Stops after 60%, while my Windows not even possible to show how much space the disc uses.

Either the Disc is defect, or the Disc Drives are to old, getting some of the new standards/copy-protections read properly.

Maybe some further update to the red fox will fix this, so I may get the D my Popcorn Hour to Watch it on my TV.

 

btw:

I have the german DVD of the television cut. Do you think it will be possible to get the german audio onto the BD video stream? What should I try to do? Speeding the PAL sound down to match the video, or speed the video up to match PAL speed? I am complete new to this :)

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I found that the VHS and LD releases are all the same early 90's master I first saw with their own color credit. The Dossier and Blu-ray both came from the same IP of Redux. The Blu reveals more details and better color, but the 79 cut is still just re-created from Redux. It looks wrong. Then again I'm not HD ready yet, so I don't physically have the Blu.

But I freaking love my 93 WS LD. Color is spot on imo, and it supposedly has the full 70mm 4.2 just literally transferred as close as possible to the digital tracks. Freaking powerful! Destroys every DVD and even my 5.1 reissue LD.

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captainsolo said:

But I freaking love my 93 WS LD. Color is spot on imo, and it supposedly has the full 70mm 4.2 just literally transferred as close as possible to the digital tracks. Freaking powerful! Destroys every DVD and even my 5.1 reissue LD.

Hmm.. thanks captainsolo. I suppose I will end up picking the Apocalypse Now laserdisc after all. The Blu-Ray does have some annoying grain reduction...

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I believe so, but the screenshots from the German disc look better (brighter) IMO.

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Here's an article from the time of Redux that goes into every nauseating detail of every AN sound mix.

http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_apocalypse_redux/

Very technical, but a great read/resource. I just watched my 91 LD and will check out my 97 remastered disc to compare the PCM tracks. The sound was supposedly sweetened and remixed for discrete 5.1 on that disc but I don't know how the PCM was done. The back cover gives the same credits as the 91 mix so I think it should be the same one-but it might be different somehow.

After revisiting the LD, I think this master was reused for the original Paramount DVD release. Colors are the same and they're both the weird 2.00:1 ratio. The DVD simply uses the 5.1 created for the 1997 LD.

The Technicolor IB printing process used the original film negative to generate the three strips for coloring. the differences I noticed on the Complete Dossier are revealed on the Blu-ray as simply greater detail and clarity brought out by the best possible photochemical process. The Redux IP that was generated at at the end of the process for the new cut was just too detailed for the original Dossier DVD release. The Blu-ray source was exactly the same IP and because of great advents in technology, the result looks outstanding and completely replicates the theatrical experience.

What worries me is how the extra footage was cut in and how the 79 theatrical was recreated. I really hope it isn't another case of splicing new footage into the original negative and that the theatrical version is only recreated by editors.

I'm basing this stuff off of screencaps and reports of the new DTS lossless mix. Does anyone who has or seen the Blu have any insight? How's the sound?

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