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timdiggerm
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For a long time, I've wished that we could keep Yub Nub without keeping the "celebrate the looooooooove" ending, while still keeping the galactic tour (for larger-saga reasons). If possible, I also wanted to use the Ewok version of Yub Nub, instead of the chorus.
My little laptop isn't so great with the video editing, but I've done what I could to make the audio for such a sequence. I pretty quickly realized that using the soundtrack versions of everything would mean replacing all the sound effects (crowd noises, including R2, Chewie & Lando), which I'd rather not attempt. But layering the Ewok version of Yub Nub on top of this worked pretty well, with some edits.
I chopped a section out of Victory Celebration, so that the sequence is approximately the right length. The concept is that everything proceeds as it would in the 1983 version of the film, until at some point (unfortunately this has to be music rather than visual driven) we pan up to the sky, see more the stars, and fade/wipe into the galactic tour. Spend a little time here, then return to Endor for Luke & the Ghosts to have a moment. Not sure what to do about that terrible group photo at the end, but I'm just here to work on the audio, not visuals.
If you would like to hear my concept: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3291640/AlternateROTJEnding.mp3 The actual Ewok Party starts just before the minute mark.
If you would like to create the appropriate visuals to go along with this and upload that somewhere, please do! If you're trying to do this, but require a few adjustments be made to the audio, just let me know and we'll do it.
Darth Lars
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Padawan LearnerI really like the concept of keeping the Yub Nub at (and to) Endor, but also having the other planets. Also, no annoying "weesa free" to make you angry... >;)
Akratus
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Personally I do not understand how you couldn't find the 1997 music edition far superior. It was even made by John Williams!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoEbGJsprI
Do lines like "G'noop dok fling oh ah." make you all misty eyed?
Also, in your version at 2:19: "Wesa Free!"
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusI've said it before and I'll say it again, everytime I hear the 1997 version I get this sort of image in my head.
And then I have to blow something up.
I would move the celebrations together and have no score for that other than the galaxy moaning about the new government before it even gets to the same planet as the parliament and then use the Force theme for the whole celebration thing.
Yub Nub is a bit better but, "Oh Nannoo" must be something really filthy in Ewokese going by that slightly pervy chipmunk laugh.
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- Anál nathrach,
- orth’ bháis’s bethad,
- do chél dénmha
Akratus
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I simply can not wrap my head around that logic. Sure, disliking the 97' theme is perfectly acceptable. But to find it an annoying new agey type deal, and then like yub nub MORE?
It's the kind of fucking song they'd put in an after school special! If it were up to me I'd make my perfect editions of the OT, and destroy all copies containing yub nub. I like the 97' theme but I HATE yub nub.
That being said. The force theme. My god! It's PERFECT. It mirrors the scene with luke looking off into the sunset!
Again, it's like poetry, it rhymes. Except it's also a good idea.
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusYub Nub is emotionally less saccharine. it's straight up honest syrup.
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- Anál nathrach,
- orth’ bháis’s bethad,
- do chél dénmha
timdiggerm
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I really love the '97 celebration, but I've never felt that it fit the Ewok celebration visuals all that well. It wasn't until I heard the Ewok-voice version of Yub Nub that I realized how good Yub Nub could be...but it's inappropriate for the Galactic Celebration visuals and the ending is so bad.
So...this.
And Bingo's criticism of the 97 Victory Celebration music is spot on.
Unfortunately, the Force theme is a little too slow and mournful.
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusDoes the opposite exist a human choir English lyric of "Celebrate The Love"?
| Freedom we got freedom and now that we can be free come on and celebrate Power we got power and now that we can be free it's time to celebrate Celebrate the freedom celebrate the power celebrate the glory celebrate the love Power we got power and now that we can be free it's time to celebrate Celebrate the light (freedom!) celebrate the night (power!) celebrate the fight (glory!) celebrate the love celebrate the love celebrate the love Glory we found glory the power showed us the light and now we all live free Celebrate the love |
The Ewok version still sounds a bit too human to me.
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- Anál nathrach,
- orth’ bháis’s bethad,
- do chél dénmha
DominicCobb
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Ideally Yub Nub would be in place as simply source music - it's a little silly but it makes more sense for the Ewoks to play that than the Victory Celebration. We would see the Endor party with Yub Nub then we would transition into the force theme, see the galactic celebrations, then Luke burning Vader would be the final shot.
A more radical version would have the funeral after the Ewok celebration but before the other celebrations, then when we go to Endor and see Luke fly away into space as the force theme swells into the end credits.
timdiggerm
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Bingowings said:
Does the opposite exist a human choir English lyric of "Celebrate The Love"?
Sadly...yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RShn_zxm4lY
Hal 9000
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Curse you all, you should have caught me!Did somebody say there was a version of Yub Nub without lyrics? A musical rendition might be an interesting compromise between OOT and SE endings.
Darth Lars
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Padawan Learnertimdiggerm said:
I really love the '97 celebration, but I've never felt that it fit the Ewok celebration visuals all that well. It wasn't until I heard the Ewok-voice version of Yub Nub that I realized how good Yub Nub could be...but it's inappropriate for the Galactic Celebration visuals and the ending is so bad.
I think so too. It is inconceivable that the Ewoks would have sung the Victory Celebration song.
Akratus said:
Personally I do not understand how you couldn't find the 1997 music edition far superior. It was even made by John Williams!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoEbGJsprI
The origin of the Victory Celebration was shown a few years ago when an animatic was leaked (or officially released?) that showed the concept for how the new ending in the 1997 SE version was going to be made. As its soundtrack, it had the theme from "500 Nations", which is a documentary about native north-americans' history.
There are some really obvious similarities from this song to the "Victory Celebration" that John Williams was asked to compose.
If I could find it now, I would have posted the concept video itself. It is on "Deleted Magic". 2008 thread.
timdiggerm
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Darth Lars said:
There are some really obvious similarities from this song to the "Victory Celebration" that John Williams was asked to compose.
True, although Williams has certainly worked that way before (see: most of A New Hope)
ray_afraid
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Twisted & EvilWhich Ewok was playing the bass in Yub-Nub? I want a prequel that deals with Jenkins- A brave Ewok who found the Planet Of Sound and came back home with a bass, and amp and an unsated appetite for funk.
And where in the world did you find those lyrics, Bing? Hilarious!
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusI just put the Ewokese lyrics into Babel fish.
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- Anál nathrach,
- orth’ bháis’s bethad,
- do chél dénmha
ray_afraid
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Twisted & Evil
Ha! So where in the world did you find the ewokese lyrics?
Bingowings said:
Yub Nub... "Oh Nannoo" must be something really filthy in Ewokese going by that slightly pervy chipmunk laugh.
And what did "Oh Nannoo" end up translating as?
timdiggerm said:
Bingowings said:
Does the opposite exist a human choir English lyric of "Celebrate The Love"?
Sadly...yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RShn_zxm4lY
Oh.
Your.
Gods.
That's hard to watch and hear. Truly cringe inducing.
Loved the cheers when Sebastian shows up though!
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusIt's actually not that bad.
Given to the right gospel choir it could even become a standard of the genre.
The lyrics are very dodgy though considering they have just overthrown a despotic regime and are going on about power and celebrating fighting.
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- Anál nathrach,
- orth’ bháis’s bethad,
- do chél dénmha
timdiggerm
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The lyrics are also just generally awful.
ray_afraid
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Twisted & EvilBingowings said:
It's actually not that bad.
An amazing saga coming to a close with a teddy bear picnic and a white gospel choir vocalizing about celebrating love is worse than bad!
And dem keys! And dat synth! Oh my....
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusIf it was being sung in the capital as an independence song it wouldn't be too bad.
It's the sort of nonsense I can imagine a militia marching to while tapping on drums and blowing horns.
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- orth’ bháis’s bethad,
- do chél dénmha
timdiggerm
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Bingowings said:
That is one of the worst things I've ever seen.
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusThe video wasn't great but their rendition sounded better than this.
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- Anál nathrach,
- orth’ bháis’s bethad,
- do chél dénmha
ray_afraid
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Twisted & EvilBingowings said:
If it was being sung in the capital as an independence song it wouldn't be too bad.
It's crystal gazing, hippie nonsense. It would be terrible anywhere anytime.
Bingowings said:
wut.
AntcuFaalb
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The Interweb is a Series of Tubesray_afraid said:
An amazing saga coming to a close with a teddy bear picnic and a white gospel choir vocalizing about celebrating love is worse than bad!
Not everyone thinks Star Wars is an amazing saga...
Re-post from here: http://originaltrilogy.com/FORUM/topic.cfm/The-Unofficial-Complete-REVISITED-SAGA-Ideas-and-Random-Discussion-Thread/post/633173/#TopicPost633173
AntcuFaalb said:
This is why we view the films differently...
While I admit that Star Wars fits the literary archetype of the epic journey (a.k.a., the hero's journey), I fail to see its value as anything more than a three-part morality tale with great characters, creatures, and Jim Henson Muppet-monsters. What I'm trying to say is that I, personally, take more away from the Jabba the Hutt scenes at the beginning of ROTJ -- filled with the laughter of Salacious B. Crumb -- than I do from watching Darth Vader's internal struggle when deciding whether or not to save his son from the hands of the emperor.
Don't get me wrong: I certainly enjoy the more serious aspects of the films, but what I most look forward to is Lapti Nek in ROTJ, not the Battle of Hoth in TESB.
I understand how you view the films and see why Yub Nub doesn't meet your expectations. Considering my POV, do you see why it exceeds mine?
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DominicCobb
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But only ROTJ is really full of Jim Henson muppet monsters. I'm assuming ROTJ is your favorite then, and that would explain why you don't mind (rather like), the childish Ewok celebration, which would no doubt feel out of place in either of the other two OT films. While the scene might fight perfectly in ROTJ as the most suited ending, it's annoying to see it as an end to a saga that was once much more.
Alternate ROTJ Ending Concept