pittrek said:

Even with these problems I don't regret buying the blus and I definitely WILL buy the whole show, and of course any other shows they release in HD

*cough*

pittrek said:

I absolutely LOVE the remastered BDs of TNG. I just love them. The documentaries are just excellent, the deleted scenes are an amazing addition, and the HD scan and colour correction is simply mind-blowing.

 

There are however things I don't like :

- extreme, extreme DVNR on Season 2,

- very bad compositing of some of the SFX scenes. mainly on season 2, but also on a few scenes in season 4

- some of the colour correction - well, I prefer the DVD colours, and also I don't understand why they made some scenes darker, but this is again mainly visible in seasons 2 and 4

- I don't like the fact that they're CG-ing some of the SFX scenes, to be honest I would prefer the elements to be upscaled from the SD tapes

- Dan Curry's team was shooting models in 30fps, their movement looks weird in 24fps

 

Even with these problems I don't regret buying the blus and I definitely WILL buy the whole show, and of course any other shows they release in HD

They apologized for Season 2 and won't be using that company again. It's a shame CBS-D can't do them all for consistancy's sake.

pittrek said:

I've bought Enterprise and TOS already of course :-)

Poor HeShe they hurt HimHer.

Karl McCoy says :

JHIM! You are press-ganging a small jawed child into a toffee apple eating contest AFTER kicking his teeth out AND SWAPPING the toffee apples with GRENADES COVERED WITH TOFFEE..........................................ON A STICK!!!

pittrek said:

- Dan Curry's team was shooting models in 30fps, their movement looks weird in 24fps

AHA! I always KNEW there was something weird about the SFX shots in TNG. The video framerate definitely made me think TNG went CG like DS9 did eventually.

Speaking of, halfway through season six. I'll put it this way on seasons 1-3: I genuinely forgot Sisko had hair at one point. Other than "The Search" I would recomment to friends they skip all 3 if not for plot essentials

pittrek said:

I absolutely LOVE the remastered BDs of TNG. I just love them. The documentaries are just excellent, the deleted scenes are an amazing addition, and the HD scan and colour correction is simply mind-blowing.

 

There are however things I don't like :

- extreme, extreme DVNR on Season 2,

- very bad compositing of some of the SFX scenes. mainly on season 2, but also on a few scenes in season 4

- some of the colour correction - well, I prefer the DVD colours, and also I don't understand why they made some scenes darker, but this is again mainly visible in seasons 2 and 4

- I don't like the fact that they're CG-ing some of the SFX scenes, to be honest I would prefer the elements to be upscaled from the SD tapes

- Dan Curry's team was shooting models in 30fps, their movement looks weird in 24fps

 

Even with these problems I don't regret buying the blus and I definitely WILL buy the whole show, and of course any other shows they release in HD

- I agree that the DVNR in the live-action special effects shots is the one thing I cannot stand about the Season 2 blurays. I can look past the sub-par compositing and some of the low-rez planet shots, but the noise reduction is really distracting. 

- About the color... I don't know, I agree it can be a tad over-saturated, but the DVDs look dull and lifeless. 

- I can't agree with you on the CGI, however. Although the CGI isn't perfect, the original composites were done on analog composite (ie: color and luma mushed together) videotape, so they are low-resolution and riddled with video noise. Look at Trek Core's before and after of Booby Trap  http://youtu.be/Fb_KdXgOhTk?t=4m18s

- I know they scanned Curry's effects shots at 24 and then sped them up about 135%, and I've tried hard to find any artifacts even going so far as to stare at the screen from 5 inches away during Yesterday's Enterprise, but I could not find anything weird, apart from a little less motion blur. Although, in Identity Crisis, when they are on the planet looking for transformed-Geordi at the end, that sequence was shot at 30 fps and there is an obvious skipped frame during a camera movement, and the overall quality is blurry.

bkev said:

 

pittrek said:

- Dan Curry's team was shooting models in 30fps, their movement looks weird in 24fps

AHA! I always KNEW there was something weird about the SFX shots in TNG. The video framerate definitely made me think TNG went CG like DS9 did eventually.

 

Yeah, Dan Curry did every other episode and the higher frame rate gives it that soap opera look, so that's why some people often mistakingly think the models were shot on video cameras, thus making the restoration impossibly expensive to do. 

I think it was a bad idea to choose that frame-rate. I get that it transfers well to NTSC video, but all of the main action was shot at 24 and going from one frame-rate to another is not only jarring, but it makes for poorer conversions to PAL. 

He may also be one of those HFR advocates which, in all honesty, I cannot understand one freaking bit. I saw the Hobbit in HFR and it was horrid; absolutely, positively eye-gougeingly horrid. Higher frame-rates are not more realistic. Wave your hand in front of your face very quickly and what do you see? Blur. (end rant)

There is a fellow at trekbbs.com calling himself CaptainBearclaw who has been doing research on deleted scenes from the Star Trek films.  I already have linked to his thread over there.  Matter of fact, he is also a recent member here, calling himself Tack.  He just started up a blog on these deleted scenes.

http://startrekrarities.blogspot.com

Now the blog hasn't gotten too far yet, but his thread is pretty thorough, and I imagine his blog could become much like T-bone's Star Wars site if he keeps at it, given the material already in the trekbbs thread.  Check this blog frequently.  I know I will :)

SilverWook said:

Was HFR even a thing in the late 80's early 90's?

There must be some arcane technical reason for shooting the models at 30fps.

As all of TNG was edited on NTSC video, any PAL conversion at the time was going to be problematic.

In the early 50s, Todd AO was created, which was a 70mm format filmed and projected at 30 fps. There were actually two films shot side by side with regular 24fps cameras and 30 fps Todd AO cameras: Oklahoma! and Around the World in 80 Days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd-AO 

Douglas Trumbull created his "Showscan" format in the late 70s/early 80s which projected 70mm film at 60 frames per second. No films were ever filmed in the format for reasons one can probably understand. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showscan

As far as to why half the model shots were done in 30 fps, it just seemed like Dan Curry's preferred method. Rob Legato did every other episode's effects in 24 fps so there wasn't a real technical issue. 

pittrek said:

I'd actually love to see the TV version of ST2. I can't find it anywhere even when the guy claims it's easy to find

I've got a few leads, including SilverWook, but he can't get it to me at present.  I've got two folks willing to help out at FE.org, but I haven't gotten it yet.  I'll be sure to upload it at MySpleen when I get it so it can be better spread to folks here.

pittrek said:

I'd actually love to see the TV version of ST2. I can't find it anywhere even when the guy claims it's easy to find

I was under the impression that this was the T.V. version of TWoK.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-II-Directors-Collectors/dp/B0000683DH/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1378756719&sr=8-4&keywords=star+trek+the+wrath+of+khan

The elevator scene is from the TV version.  The Deleted Scenes are actually part of a promotional reel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4BjWW5jTw

It was essentially a lengthy trailer, but it included material never put into any final version of the film.  I think some of it is really cool and wish it would be integrated.

Again, I recommend this very nice thread.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=220249

Starting around page 4 or 5, they start talking about TWOK and that promotional reel.

Posted this video I made over on FE.org. Thought I'd post it here too, as I'm sure some of you will find it fun...

(^ Click image to watch in HD)

- (Hopefully) Subtle recolouring throughout (Less blue basically)
- Spock's-floppy-hair/time-jump-run removed
- Random pause to pointlessly watch Kirk close a hatch removed
- Death scene recut to be less emotional and therefore more emotional... if that makes any sense at all?!? :-D
- Uhura overacting shot removed
- "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" shortened to merely "Khaaaaaaaaaan" ;-)
- All cutaways to medical removed and fight footage linked by new match cuts
- Uhura mention of magic-blood removed
- New recut and remixed ending montage with added teaser titles