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RE: All Things Star Trek

My sorted list of favorite->"meh" for the ST:TNG movies:

1. First Contact

2. Insurrection

3. Generations

4. Nemesis

Completely agreed on all four.

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doubleofive said:

 

Trekkie313 said:


So does anyone know if the current television version of TWOK is the same as the directors cut DVD?
i believe so, yes.

 

Then someone needs to do a edit for it, since Paramount looks like it isn't gonna bother releasing the proper versions on Blu-ray.

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They went to the original film to restore it in HD. Are the TV versions really HD?

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I watched some of TWOK and the other ST films on SyFy and BBC2 HD, I assume they were HD copies since they looked pretty good.

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In terms of that TNG film list I'd  have

1. First Contact

2. Nemesis

3. Insurrection

4. Generations 

But they are all pretty much missable.

Nemesis is much under-rated in my book due to the media deciding that Star Trek wasn't hip any more.

It's practically the same film as Star Trek (2009) and is no less derivative of TWOK than STID is.

First Contact is basically a remake of Aliens (with Picard as Ripley and Data as Newt) which is itself a remake of THEM!

The characters are very off and it further diminished the menace of the Borg by given them a personal voice in the shape of the Cybercontroller... eh... Queen.

Seeing as the Borg were lifted straight out of Doctor Who they should have learned from the later Davros stories that scary impersonal aliens become less scary when they have a mouth piece.

They kept trying to separate the Daleks from their creator but people just came to see him as their leader.

Here it's worse. The Queen is the Borg, the Borg are the Queen and she gives data a blowjob.

Last edited on May 24, 2013 at 9:20 AM by Bingowings

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RE: All Things Star Trek

That and the Cenobites from Hellraiser.

They too live in Eschereque maze dominated by a giant floating shape which be either cube or a diamond.

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I'm watching ST V: The Final Frontier right now.

Awful, LOL.

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How do most ST fans feel about Rick Berman? Seems he is sometimes lambasted for directions in which he took the franchise. RLM guys usually rag on him a bit.

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A lot of people are very hard on him.

With current trends, things that are old are in again, so you have a lot of people dogging the TNG, DS9, VOY era and singing the wonders of TOS.

I grew up on TNG and the ST films. I always really liked Kirk in the films, and wanted to see the original TV series, but my family didn't have cable and there was no way to watch it. Then one year between seasons of TNG instead of airing TNG reruns they ran episodes of the original series. I was super excited about this and really enjoyed them, but even as a nine or ten year old, I felt the show was really silly and outdated. 

I've never been able to get that into the original series, so I suppose the Rick Berman era Star Trek is my Star Trek. A lot of people would probably respond with, "Boo, you are a real Star Trek fan if you don't think TOS is the best!" if they read me say all of this. Fine, I am not a real Star Trek fan, and I won't claim to be. But I do really enjoy TNG, DS9, bits of Voyager, and the TNG crew films. This whole stretch of time was during Berman's reign as executive producer, so I guess I'm more of a fan of Berman's Star Trek than Roddenberry's.

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I experienced a great honor today. As luck would have it Vic Mignogna and company decided to have the world premiere of their new web series Star Trek Continues at the Phoenix Comicon which just so happens to be my hometown.

I've seen a couple episodes of New Voyages and so I thought I knew what to expect in regards of the production value, acting and writing. Boy was I taken by surprise. I knew that since Doug Drexler was handling all of the space shots that they were going to look amazing but man...it was just so beautiful. Second, the cast they've assembled for this is perfect. Vic does a wonderful job as Kirk. Grant Imahara was a surprise and delight as Sulu. And Chris Doohan as Scotty just felt oh so right.

The sets were fantastic. They actually bought an entire building and rebuilt all of the original Enterprise sets as they were on the Paramount lot during the production of the original series. They also plan to expand as time goes on.

The script was superb. It dealt with the return of the Greek god Apollo. It was pitch perfect and felt like a real script from the era that had just never been produced.

Vic Mignogna and his team have somehow managed to recreate the magic of the original series in a way I didn't think was possible. Vic in addition to directing, starring and editing also wrote and performed additional music for the episode so that the original series score blended with the episode perfectly. Every facet of the production is filled with so much love and dedication that you can feel it.

The only sad thing about it was they weren't allowed their full two hours because they also wanted to do a signing afterward and there was one last panel scheduled after theirs so the Q&A was cut very short. I hope that didn't cast a pall over the experience for them. I blame Wil Wheaton. =P

They were all so wonderful though. They ended up staying almost two hours after it ended so that they could meet and sign posters for EVERYONE.

                               

With all that said, I highly recommend you check it out for yourself. So without further ado here's Star Trek Continues episode 1 Pilgrim of Eternity.

Last edited on May 25, 2013 at 9:52 AM by Tobar
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Wow!  I'm excited about this.  I love all these Star Trek TOS fan projects.  I wish TOS had completed the 5 year mission, and I'm glad to see that we might get to pretend it is completed with these other series.

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Thanks for the heads up, Tobar, watched it this morning. FANtastic!

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Spock looks nothing like Spock...really off putting for me even more than the guy playing Chekhov in J.J. ST franchise.

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SilverWook said:

The look of the Borg is amazingly similar to the robotic minions in Captain Eo, who also have a queen.

You implying something? The Queen in CEO is more Gigeresque and organic looking, plus lots of cheap space films from that era used sports equipment spray painted to look futuristic.

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^See it in IMAX, it's incredible.

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I just finished watching the three seasons of ST: TOS, and here are my thoughts/comments on the show.


I love Spock. Nimoy is definately the man! =D

The interaction between Kirk-Spock-McCoy is the best/strongest aspect of the series. I don't think the show would have been half as good without them all playing off of one another.

The first season is the strongest season. Maybe the scope seemed bigger, or the character interplay was at its strongest, but the subsequent seasons - especially the third - seemed to be missing a certain spark.

I like how the writers, even with a limited budget/effects, managed to create some really alien aliens on the show. Sure, they were overshadowed by the human/rubber forehead aliens, but I'm glad to see the creators make some effort toward bringing the truly incredible to life.

I wish Grace Lee Whitney had been on the show longer.

Without this show, my favourite scene from The Cable Guy would have never existed.

I think too many episodes were focused on Kirk and his love interest of the week to the detriment of other characters who deserved more exposure/development, like Uhura.

Pretty much all the episodes that focused on Earth-parallel cultures - with the exception of "Miri" - were all bland and only served to draw attention to the show's weakest aspect (the all-too-human aliens).

I think full-blooded Vulcans/Romulans should have been made to look more alien so as to distinguish them from Spock more.

I thought the Starfleet uniforms looked cheap and more effort should have been put into designing them.

I know it wasn't commonplace back in the 60's, but I would have liked to have seen some story/character arcs done on the show. It would have helped in the characterization department and made the show less formulaic.


I'm starting on TNG now. I'm two episodes in already, and so far I haven't seen anything all that interesting. It's too early to give up the ship yet, though, so I'll give it at least half a season before I decide whether or not to bother continuing with it.

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TV's Frink said:


Just rewatched ST 09 in preparation for getting a STiD next weekend.  Despite some flaws, it's still a fun worthwhile Trek movie.


I accidentally read this as "in preparation for getting an STD".

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