It shows.

I never said anything about forbidding them to use them.

That's like the only alternative to "not having one in your home" that would still result in your kids not watching any TV, that's why I brought it up.

That caused me, and still causes me, nothing but trouble.

If you're gonna raise kids, you'll need to have overcome your laziness by that point.

However, a board game requires two or more people, so why not?

And that's different from watching TV together how? Is that supposed to make one less lazy than watching a movie?

What about those teamplay games that REQUIRE more than one person to  play?

 They wanna tell me what to watch? Screw them. I watch all my entertainment online, or on Dvd.

So I agree with that, but how is watching movies online or on DVD make one any less lazy or unhealthy than on TV?

Does it make a difference if your kid browses through Youtube, or channels? Whether he watches films at funmoviesite.com or on TV after looking at the program?

Then, I love how you say "TV WOULD not exist in my home"... like, if you can watch everything online, TV ain't supposed to exist in your home already now, right? ;)

TV's Frink said:

Do you have kids, twooffour?

I'm 21.

Leonardo said:

twooffour said:

Then, I love how you say "TV WOULD not exist in my home"... like, if you can watch everything online, TV ain't supposed to exist in your home already now, right? ;)

I do not live alone.

Ah, ok then! :D

TV's Frink said:

That doesn't answer the question.

I hoped it did :D

TheBoost said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

If anyone else (that is to say, anyone who makes a habit of sensible posting) wants to continue to discuss this issue, I stand by my earlier comments. If I have strongly negative preferences regarding a particular film, I see no reason to go out of my way to secure a copy so my child can watch it. And I certainly don't think regulating what movies I do or don't show my children constitutes manipulation.

I'm not certain that a child needs to see any piece of entertainment. I don't plan to show my son "AOTC" "Nine and Half Weeks" "Dragon Ball Z" "Starship Troopers" or season two of "Duck Tales" all for different reasons. He might enjoy any of these, but there's no obligation. 

My son won't watch "Barney the Dinosaur" because it annoys me. I don't see how someone using their personal film prefrences asa  guide is somehow sinister.

 

Gee, looks like twooffour wrote a couple of his trademark novel-length posts in response to something I said. I hope you weren't planning on a response; in case you didn't notice, I put you on my ignore list a long time ago due to the condescending, conceited tone of every post of yours I've ever observed.

It's for the best.

In your case, "best" probably means that you don't get to see yourself getting pwned so much.

Point is, there is a world of difference between not pushing your kid to watch a particular movie because you don't like it, and refuse to buy it for him because you don't like it. Even though both are referred to as "going out one's way".

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

That doesn't answer the question.

I hoped it did :D

Well, obviously you meant you don't have kids, but do you really think there aren't a lot of 21-and-under parents in the world?

Anyway, I find your superior-than-thou attitude tiring, especially considering that you don't have kids.  I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, but it sure is easy to be smug when you don't have to think about the consequences of your opinions.

I realize it, I also realize that parent at 21 isn't "teenage pregnancy" anymore, but I still think having kids at this age is somewhat "questionable" in general and it's very rare in the social circles I stumble around - hence the "i hoped it did" in the sense of "hey, i'm just 21, really normal, so i don't have kids and shouldn't be expected to have any, either".

At any rate, what I find a bit tiring of you right now (and that after one short paragraph already), is that you use this general "teen boppoer without kids commenting on parenting" template of a situation in order to pass me off as "smug", while completely ignoring that the entire discussion revolves around RAISING CHILDREN IN A PREQUEL-FREE ENVIRONMENT.

Would I comment on any serious parenting issues, except maybe a few timid "idea" type of contributions with a clear question mark on them because, well, I'm no one to talk? No.

Would I even comment on the exposure of kids to sex and violence in media? Obviously there would always be things to say about the interpretations of or comparisons between particular movies, but I'm neither particularly familiar with psychological research in this area (nor any area for that matter), nor do I have the experience of having a child to raise, and I'd be the first to come out and say it, AS A DISCLAIMER, were I to post in such a thread.

But trying to... raise one's kid in a... "PT-free environment"... and trying to... "persuade" one's kids that the PT are stupid and "uninteresting"... because one doesn't LIKE them? Sorry man, that's just STUPID, and even if not, it certainly has very little to do with some kind of "serious parenting topic" that one has to experience before daring to open one's mouth.

If I were a parent, I'd certainly do my best research on psychology and the psychological influence of media on personal development, but I can honestly say having my hypothetical kids liking or disliking some disposable piece of entertainment would be the LAST thing I would care about, no matter how much I enjoyed given piece of entertainment.

You're talking about the "consequences of my opinions", like I said something along the lines of "you should let your kids watch any horror movie they want!" or "let them try drugs, certainly won't hurt!" - when all the "consequences" to be counted with here are really just "omg, what if he doesn't like the OT after that?"

Yes, I claim my right to be smug about this, and I don't see why not. This ludicrous worry about one's children's opinion about STAR WARS is a classic example of a parent who apparently hasn't quite grown up yet - so the irony is inviting :D

PS: For all it's worth, I refuse to ever have kids, because I don't see myself as ever being capable of responsible parenting, and I wouldn't want myself for a father.

Quackula said:

Would twooffour actually being a parent have really changed whether his thoughts on the idea of refusing to allow your children to see things based on your opinion of them are valid or not? Whether he's actually a parent I think is irrelevant, for this particular situation at least.

His overly-lengthy and mostly condescending tone aside, I agree with twooffour. Shielding your kids from certain movies and shows just because you don't like them is just completely absurd.

Well, thanks :)

You seem like a friendly fellow, so can you explain me this: why does the length of posts come up as an issue so often?

Setting aside the fact that my posts here, save for one, are hardly longer than zombie's contributions, it seems to me that the accusation of length is mostly brought up with a clear implication of "wow, you're really angry and upset about this aren't you, why don't you get a life" as an attempt to disqualify an opponent in a discussion (I guess the fact that more thorough argumentation, information and example citing can make a post longer conveniently doesn't count here) - either that, or as an excuse to weasel out with a tired, cheap "tl;dnr".

Often, 5 comments in a row on Youtube is automatically perceived as "angry" and "obsessed" for some reason - a length that would amount to little more than a quiet fart on any regular forum :D

TV's Frink said:

Quackula said:

Would twooffour actually being a parent have really changed whether his thoughts on the idea of refusing to allow your children to see things based on your opinion of them are valid or not?

I think it could, theoretically.  Having a child and interacting with that child on a daily basis changes a lot of your views on things, and not all these things are "serious parenting issues."

xhonzi's decision is a parenting issue, no matter how minor the issue may be (to you or him).  He's not dealing with another adult.  To call his parenting decision absurd is condescending, insulting, and frankly....absurd.

So according to this logic, calling any kind of parenting decision absurd is condescending, insulting and absurd, simply for the act of criticizing someone else's approach to parenting, right?

I hope, and I'm sure I do NOT need to elaborate any further ;)

And you would have to come up with a bit more than "maybe, theoretically, you know, his opinions could somehow CHANGE on a lot of things if he had a child" in order to justify your mild attack on my posts.

I mean, you're posting on a forum here, bring something interesting to the table! Whether it's an actual response to someone's post, or a nice, helpful explanation HOW having kids could change one's opinions on influencing their kids' popcultural preferences in questionable and logically inconsistent manners!

Because this sort of generalized "well, you're not a parent, so technically, you know, maybe" is simply not interesting at all.

Hey, I sure do comprehend the INSTINCT. We're all potential nerds, we're all potential fanboys, and we all potentially like to share our preferences with others, or influence their opinions in a way we find good, or want.

At our simplest, we also really like and feel relief when someone else likes what we like, or is blown away but what we're blown away by.

So then, you get kids... you really, really love bigband but hate, hate hair metal, so the natural impulse is, obviously, starting exposing your offspring to bigband, and trying not to draw their attention too much to hair metal.

It's at this point you're supposed to USE YOUR CRITICAL THOUGHT, look at yourself, and ask: "Am I really doing what is best for my child, or am I trying to imprint too much of myself on him? Am I responsibly raising a human being here, or am I creating a mini-me in my image? Ok, guess it's okay that he kinda grows up in my environment so stuff gets imprinted regardless, and we all like sharing stuff with our friends, too, right? But at what point am I OVERDOING it? At what point does the joy of sharing stuff turn into a struggle for self-affirmation by trying to make someone else agree with me that A New Hope is "genius"?"

And then, of course, the obvious one: "Am I an educated cineast striving for good taste and critical thought, or am I just a huge Space Nerd with a opinionated views?" :P

And that's really what it all boils down to, isn't it? Somehow, if you look at this way, your suggestion that I might change my views if I were an adult and had children seems to carry a hidden, and certainly unintentional implication - that, if I were an adult, and a parent, I'd also be a huger nerd :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDPPPP

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

You seem like a friendly fellow, so can you explain me this: why does the length of posts come up as an issue so often?

Tip #26 is part of it, especially if you are going to compare yourself to zombie.

Tip 26? I'm sure you do mean number 16?

Furthermore, in your tip number 21, you have this to say:

21) Don't Quoting Massive Walls Of Text, Especially If You Just Say "I Agree"

That's a cool one. There should really be a 21a) though, that states: Don't quotE massive walls of text, or in fact, respond or react to massive walls of text in any way, just in order to say "tldnr".

If you ask me, that one's infinitely more important, and more condescending and insulting on a forum, than stupid ol' "/agreed".

In fact, I've looked through your list, and nowhere do you say "don't join in a debate or respond to a user just in order to state that their post(s) are useless, or hampered by some generalized, unsubstantiated disqualifier - or in fact, post any kind of dismissve remark that allows you to put down the user without having to deal with what they wrote".

Oh, gee, was that a bit lenghthy for a "number 21a)"?

Hey, let's take rule 16 again, where you make an emphasis on "rambling". How about you show me why the length of my posts was due to "rambling"? Because just complaining about length doesn't cut it, and is Lame.

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

At any rate, what I find a bit tiring of you right now (and that after one short paragraph already), is that you use this general "teen boppoer without kids commenting on parenting" template of a situation in order to pass me off as "smug", while completely ignoring that the entire discussion revolves around RAISING CHILDREN IN A PREQUEL-FREE ENVIRONMENT.

Don't put words in my mouth.  I had no idea how old you were.

I know that, we all know that - what about a bit of an artistic license? Hey, look, I know that, deep inside, once you learned that I was a wet-behind-the-ears t(w)een, in addition to having no kids, you felt a flush of glee flowing through your fingers, rubbed your hands with a sardonic grin on your face, twirled your huge black mustache and cackled: "HA! Well NOW... we've got meself one easy target!"

So I figured "why not" :P

Quackula said:

Look, I understand the motivation, you want your children to appreciate the things you grew up with. The OT was obviously a huge part of xhonzi's childhood, and I can totally understand him wanting his children to experience them the way he did.

But when you go to such lengths as dremeling off the lightsaber on a Republic Heroes Yoda toy, I think it's worth taking a moment to step back and get some perspective.

That was better put and more useful than my entire body of posts on this thread :D