If anyone defends the prequels....after watching this I dont see how they can, this guy explains with pure logic how these films make no sense and how they are garbage.
enjoy. this is very entertaining and funny and shows the truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
A bit late to the party Hal.
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haljordan28 said:
If anyone defends the prequels....after watching this I dont see how they can, this guy explains with pure logic how these films make no sense and how they are garbage.
enjoy. this is very entertaining and funny and shows the truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
First, that's not a review. A review also evaluates merits of the work in question, something that guy doesn't. Among other things...
Second, if nitpicking videos such as those show if a movie is garbage or not, I bet that if he wasn't an hypocrite and made nitpicking videos about the OT, you would find them garbage too.
Third, I wonder how many more thread will you open just to bash the prequels. Do you love them so much? As someone wrote on another forum:
Complainers are not productive members of society; they make everyone around them aware of their dissatisfaction, without offering any valid reason for their dissatisfaction, or means of resolving their dissatisfaction - in other words, there is no purpose for them to complain. Complainers just cause misery for the people to whom they complain. People who cause misery for other people to no end are, in my experience, crazy people.
I enjoy the prequels (in fanedited form) quite a bit.
That doesn't make RLM's review any less entertaining.
the prequels need bashing in every corner of the world. they can't be bashed enough. sorry just calling it what they are. JUNK to be bashed. maybe if some thought and caring would have been put into their making they would not be bashed and made fun of so much ten yrs after the fact.
so sorry prequel lover. sorry if the truth offends you. prequels = most razzie awards in history for worst films, worst director, worst actor, worst screenplay. I love it. nothing makes my day more than seeing and reading how much the prequels I mean JUNKQUELS get bashed and hated on.
they are trash. nothing more nothing less. my friend bought me a copy of episode 2 for xmas one yr and I kid you not. I broke the dvd and took a shit on the box.
I have the posters of the OT in frames on my wall. they deserve that honor
I dont coddle little kids hurt feelings about the prequels so i dont know what to tell you. most all the people who like that garbage are little kids or adults who take anything just so long as it has the title star wars attached to it. most of us though expected adn demaned quality and care for star wars, the same quality and care we got with episodes 4 and 5 thanks to people like gary kurtz and lawerence kasdan and irvin kershner and the at the time talanted creator george lucas.
the pt films were tossed together just to make money. no care went into the script or the charcacters. I and many other refuse to apologize for that. kids dont care cause they only care about action and special effects and they got that in spades with the pt films. maybe one day when you/they grow up tou will see star wars is more than just action and special effects.
lucas said in 1981 and i quote "what seperates star wars from other science fiction/fantasy films is that we do not look at them as if they were just a science fiction film we want them to be the best they can be and we will out that kind of love and care in each installment" that was from a starlog magazine interview. the same interview where lucas said
"special effects without a story is a pretty boring thing.directors use special effects to make up for a lack of story telling. the story is in the story not the special effects"
I feel sorry for kids today that are star wars fans. we adults remember Lucas for what he was and how he was and we remember star wars for what it was and how it was before lucas changed and before his ideas changed and before he tarnished the brand.
haljordan28 said:
I broke the dvd and took a shit on the box.
You would make one hell of a performance artist.
Wow! Thanks for telling me about this! This is even more amazing than what happened to me yesterday, when my friend revealed to me that Darth Vader was ACTUALLY Luke Skywalker's dad. (Sorry to spoil it for anyone)
Why should we trust your friend?
TV's Frink said:
Why should we trust your friend?
He actually knows Lucas! His dad works for Lucas and they always talk with each other! You wouldn't believe this, but my friend told me that they're making a new SEQUEL Star Wars trilogy! Insane, right?
haljordan28 said:
the prequels need bashing in every corner of the world. they can't be bashed enough.
So, you're just another troll. I see... I do wonder why does someone waste time of their life on bashing something they hate, but that leads me to my next point:
haljordan28 said:
so sorry prequel lover. sorry if the truth offends you.
I laugh at those childish arguments...
I'll keep what I said: "Complainers are not productive members of society; they make everyone around them aware of their dissatisfaction, without offering any valid reason for their dissatisfaction, or means of resolving their dissatisfaction - in other words, there is no purpose for them to complain. Complainers just cause misery for the people to whom they complain. People who cause misery for other people to no end are, in my experience, crazy people."
P.S: Next time, go with the whambulance.
I would personally love to see a new sequel to star wars. taking place after return of the jedi. there is much to do and be told for that period. the reformtion of the jedi order, the rebuilding of the republic, what is left of the empire. if there are new jedis to be trained then there will of course be new sith.
thats another thing that bothered me with the prequels. according to the pt the sith have been extinct of over a 1000 yrs. that means NO ONE on the jedi council had ever fought or encountered a sith before lol. no one on the copincil had any experince lightsaber dueling a sith. just another example of the pathetic writing that went into the prequels. the whoile stupid idea of the sith rule of two. yet vader and the emperor want to recruit luke and make him a sith. of course when epiusode 5 was made there was no such thing as a sith rule of two so it made perfect sense. but now thanks to the pt crap it is just another plot blunder. the nightmare never ends thanks to the pathetic pt films. and to think some SO CALLED fans defend that garbage. haha amazing. truly amazing
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Alexrd said:
haljordan28 said:
the prequels need bashing in every corner of the world. they can't be bashed enough.
So, you're just another troll. I see... I do wonder why does someone waste time of their life on bashing something they hate, but that leads me to my next point:
haljordan28 said:
so sorry prequel lover. sorry if the truth offends you.
I laugh at those childish arguments...
I'll keep what I said: "Complainers are not productive members of society; they make everyone around them aware of their dissatisfaction, without offering any valid reason for their dissatisfaction, or means of resolving their dissatisfaction - in other words, there is no purpose for them to complain. Complainers just cause misery for the people to whom they complain. People who cause misery for other people to no end are, in my experience, crazy people."
P.S: Next time, go with the whambulance.
sorry but I give perfect reasons behind my hate and dislike for the pt films.i dont just say hey I hate them I say i hate them and then i explain why. if any prequel lover wants to he can debate my reasons for hating them. they dont/wont because they know there is no way to defend those piece of shi* films. they are what they are. JUNK. i can go into detail how and why many many times
A complainer who complains about complaints is still a complainer.
haljordan28 said:
sorry but I give perfect reasons behind my hate and dislike for the pt films.
Of course you do... So perfect that you need to search for nitpicking videos. I wonder if you will pick RLM videos if they'll ever do an OT "review".
haljordan28 said:
if any prequel lover wants to he can debate my reasons for hating them.
What is a prequel lover? I don't know if you are adressing me, but I'm no lover of anything. I'm a Star Wars fan, and when I say Star Wars I mean the whole saga. Does that make you angry? Good.
haljordan28 said:
they dont/wont because they know there is no way to defend those piece of shi* films.
Yes, there are, but I won't waste my time with you because you can't debate. All you do is call them shi*, crap, junk, garbage etc without proper reason, and everyone who disagrees with you is a liar, because you think you own the truth. That's no argument, that's trolling, and I don't feed trolls. Feel free to waste your time with what you don't like, kid.
For a pair of guys with apposing views you're beginning to synchronise your typos.
haljordan28 wrote:
there is much to do and be told for that period. the reformtion of the jedi order, the rebuilding of the republic, what is left of the empire.
Weren't the prequels all about the deformation of the jedi order, the dismantling of the republic and the forming of the empire, and that sucked according to you, why would you want more of this kind of storytelling?
if there are new jedis to be trained then there will of course be new sith.
So we're going to go through all this building just to bring back some bad guys. The PT story is the overthrow by the sith, what could be more exciting then that?
according to the pt the sith have been extinct of over a 1000 yrs. that means NO ONE on the jedi council had ever fought or encountered a sith before lol.
why is this lol?
no one on the copincil had any experince lightsaber dueling a sith. just another example of the pathetic writing that went into the prequels.
Maybe that's why the Jedi failed? How is this pathetic writing? besides the copincil part.
the whoile stupid idea of the sith rule of two. yet vader and the emperor want to recruit luke and make him a sith. of course when epiusode 5 was made there was no such thing as a sith rule of two so it made perfect sense. but now thanks to the pt crap it is just another plot blunder.
Vader and the Emperor want Luke to replace the Emperor or Vader. The rule of two still works in Ep5.
the nightmare never ends thanks to the pathetic pt films. and to think some SO CALLED fans defend that garbage. haha amazing. truly amazing
You are just as amazing. And where can I find your "SO CALLED" fan badge, i'll wear it with honor.
RLM's review is ONE YEAR OLD, where have you been?
Any time either of you two want to sit down and truly debate the merits of the pt films vs why I and so many others here view the PT films as junk then I am more than willing to debate it with you and remain civil while doing so.
And you ask why would I want the sequel films to touch on things that the pt films touched on such as the jedi council and the republic etc..etc Well it is not that the idea outline of the prequels were terrible. Such as those story arcs it was the screenplays and the acting and the plot holes that made the PT such bad films.
One example is this. and feel free to respond to this if you think you can defend the pts portrayl of it. According to Lucas the story of star wars is the rise and fall of anakin skywalker.
Lucas said all through the early and mid 80s that the back story was about anakin skywalker and how he was this great jedi knight who was the hero of the clone wars and friends with ben kenobi who had a tragic fall from grace and was seduced by the dark side of the force and when you listened to bi wan telling luke about anakin in episode 4 and 6 and you see how powerful and strong vader is its easy to imagine and vision anakin young and him and ben being great friends and fighting side by side in the clone wars etc..etc and where the PT films droped the ball was showing anakins rise and then his fall.
We never got to see this great jedi knight who was such good friends with obi wan and was the hero of the clone wars and reached these great heights. From the very first scene with anakin in episode 2 he is being disrespectful to his master and he is being a smart ass. He is rude and nasty to everyone. He goes on violent killing sprees an hr after we first see his charcter. Even if you did not know he was to become darth vader the average person would be looking at this guy and saying "what an ass hole" You have to have a rise before you can have a fall.
Now if we would have been presented with an anakin skywalker that would have been like qui gon jinn or luke skywalker or maximus in gladiator or mel gibsion in braveheart...characters that we grew attached to and looked up to and admiried and then slowly start to see him through no fault of his own get seducded by the dark side of the force then we would have felt sad. we would have had an emotional attachment to the charcter of anakin skywalker. and then when anakin redemmed himself at the end of return of the jedi we would have stood up and cheered and said "our hero is back" cause we would have remembered anakin for what he was before he got seducded by the dark side...remeber what he was...a great hero and jedi knight...a great friend to obi wan a jedi who was looked up to and admiried by his peers. but we didnt get any of that. we got a teen age smart mouth little punk.
to get emotionally attached to a character you have top first LIKE HIM and respect him and admire him. just like the heroes I mentioned above. Remember how you felt when spock died? or when maximus died? or when william wallace died? or even when qui gon died?we liked these characters. we had an emotional attachment to them. the same as we SHOULD have had with anakin. this was the PRIME PLOT ELEMENT of not just the prequels but all 6 star wars films. the RISE AND FALL OF ANAKIN SKYWALKER. there was no rise. he was a damaged flawed rude disrespectful character from scene one.
is this so hard for prequel fans to understand? lets not even get into his rasons for going to the dark side. he turns to the dark side on purpose. because he thinks it will allow him to save padme because of a bad dream. where before in the 80s lucas always said anakin was seducded to the dark side through no fault of his own. like a person who tries drugs. they try it and then they become seducded by it because it is too powerful for them to handle or control. in the original return of the jedi script ben tells luke that "as a part of a jedis training he must confront and then move past the dark side of the force and that anakin when he confronted the dark side became seduced by it because he thought he was strong enough to control it and in the end as with drugs it was too powerful for him to controland it took him over" hence when vader would always go around saying "if you only knew the power of the dark side"
to add insult to injury when anakin turns to the dark side not because he was seduced but because he thought he could gain something by it he is then told by palpatine that he really doesnt even know how to save peoples lives but he thinks they could learn how to. dont you think anakin would be a little pissed off. that he turned on everyone he knew since a child and murdered kids cause thisguy said he knew how to do something and then after he does it he finds out the guy was lying lol...
and this is the worst part of all....he does it cause he thinks he can save padmes life...hmmm ddidnt he just find out that the guy who has been trying to murder his wife is the same guy promising him to teach him how to save her life? hmm maybe its just me but i would have a hard time trusting someone to save my wifes life who has been trying to MURDER HER for years.
so prequel fans please go right ahead and defend this to me and tell me how I and so many others are wrong for being upset at all this.
so prequel fans please go right ahead and defend this to me and tell me how I and so many others are wrong for being upset at all this.
If this is what you want, then write to this guy: http://www.bigshinyrobot.com
from your first post:
If anyone defends the prequels....after watching this I dont see how they can
BigShinyRobot wrote several piece explaining where the RLM review went awry in his point of view. Here's the first of those responses:
http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/12257
It's been 5 years, ask yourself why do you want them defended. Your opinion is obvious, we can poke holes in your logic, but your overall sentiment won't be swayed. If you want to convert the heathens, you are generally in the wrong place.
Hal, you don't have to turn the forum into your blog. Also there are a lot of people who are into this prequel/saga thing, it's not like you're going to ever get them on your team or something, let it go. (Although that jagoff from shiny robot has been a real asshole about getting the original on-blu-ray, so if you want to hassle him, go ahead I guess.)
haljordan28 said:
Best hal post yet.
I still stand that reviewer loses some cred when he spends five minutes complaining that the robot in the first scene somehow knew QuiGon and Obi were Jedi.
I still maintain that the Jedi were wiped out decades before and the guys we see in the PT are just a bunch of Kung Fu moisture farmers.
