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Adamwankenobi — BANNED Sir Posts-A-Lot
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 3, 2006 at 9:28 AM — Post 76 of 98
Originally posted by: olzen
Well, from what I've heard, Lucas can be seen discovering a minor flaw in ESB in one of the docs on the Episode III DVD. He responds with a "We'll fix that next time".


Wha?!? Would you happen to know which documentary exactly that he says this on?
olzen Padawan Learner
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 3, 2006 at 9:42 AM — Post 77 of 98
Unfortunately not. I've read it somewhere, but I don't remember where. If I have to guess, it's probably in "Within A Minute" somewhere as I think I've seen all of the others, but I really don't have the patience to watch a one-hour documentary about one single minute
Adamwankenobi — BANNED Sir Posts-A-Lot
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 3, 2006 at 10:16 AM — Post 78 of 98
I doubt it would be under "It's all for real" or "The Chosen One" documentaries. And I also doubt it is "Within a Minute," because it is so focused on ROTS. My guess it that it is in one of those web documentaries. Hmm... I'll have to check those and see.
olzen Padawan Learner
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 3, 2006 at 6:33 PM — Post 79 of 98
I found MagnoliaFan's original quote. Seems like I misread it.

Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
When George oversees effects shots (as you can see in "The Beginning" and the EP II Behind the Scenes docs), he approves various individual shots done by different artists. He's only looking closely at the one shot, out of context.
When he later saw it all put together, he was probably so caught up in the sound mix and other things, that it blew right past him.
While they were working on III, he happened to watch ESB, caught it, and commented that they would have to fix that "next time".


Don't know where he got it from, but the guy has been to the Ranch - he does have a certain amount of credibility!
Adamwankenobi — BANNED Sir Posts-A-Lot
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 3, 2006 at 9:49 PM — Post 80 of 98
I suppose Lucas watched ESB when he was getting ready top shoot the new Emperor footage for it with Ian McDiarmid.
focuspuller The man with the plan.
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 6, 2006 at 7:03 AM — Post 81 of 98
I favor dvds, because I like the look of the prints, the new clear details, and the stronger color tones. What I don't like are the same changes everyone else dislikes, han shots first, jabba, etc. What I realize I really hate, and really takes you out of the film, is the new Jabba's palace dance number, it's too horrible for words. If I had only one request for a change from George, it would be to remove that. Adding Hayden is almost as bad but I can almost live with it, almost.

I believe I saw GL saying something about changes he will make on the ROTS dvd, also, in one of the docs, you see a slip of yoda in E1, but's it's not the puppet, it's a cg Yoga, probably for the new dvd release. (Hope I'm not going on about things everyone knows)

p.s. keep your yasims to yourself George, and take Rick McCallim's ass kissing down a notch.
Adamwankenobi — BANNED Sir Posts-A-Lot
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 6, 2006 at 9:11 AM — Post 82 of 98
Originally posted by: focuspuller
and take Rick McCallim's ass kissing down a notch.


Even that won't be enough. I mean, this is Rick McCallum we're talking about here. NO ONE kisses Lucas' ass as much as Rick.
battlewars — BANNED I am ready for the trials!
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 8, 2006 at 4:51 AM — Post 83 of 98
i wouldnt mind him kissing his ass if all of lucas' SE and prequel ideas were golden
Mr Bungle I am ready for the trials!
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 10, 2006 at 8:15 PM — Post 84 of 98


How about option No 3 Fan-Editted Special Editions by the great fan-editors here.
Darth Richard I am ready for the trials!
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 13, 2006 at 2:48 AM — Post 85 of 98
i prefer the dvd's one because i don't care what lucas changes i'll love them but i really want the OOT on dvd. Plus the clarity was impeccable. But the color problem in the dvd bug me. They all look sunburned in ANH
Mr Bungle I am ready for the trials!
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 29, 2006 at 12:18 AM — Post 86 of 98
Originally posted by: Darth Richard
i prefer the dvd's one because i don't care what lucas changes i'll love them but i really want the OOT on dvd. Plus the clarity was impeccable. But the color problem in the dvd bug me. They all look sunburned in ANH




I still love the OOT but dont mind some of the changes, its just there are changes that i am just not so keen on, so I dont enjoy or like the official ones as much I do as say ADMs edits or the OOT, thats what i think the problem is the lack of choice with the OOT unfortunatly not available and is frustrating for people who dont like some or any of the changes
Zebonka Padawan Learner
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — January 30, 2006 at 2:41 PM — Post 87 of 98
I've reached the point where I don't care anymore. Much as I loved Star Wars as a little kid, the stuff just doesn't matter to me anymore when that much *crap* can surround it. I don't want to sift through 50 versions of a film (fanmade or official) to find a definitive version. I'll just have to live with my first impression of it as a kid.
Oh well.
bbbb Padawan Learner
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — February 1, 2006 at 5:32 AM — Post 88 of 98
I preferred the 1997 SE. I hated most of the changes made in the 2004 DVD. However I did like the DVD ESB part when Luke DID NOT scream on his way down the shaft after learning Vader was his father.
TheDoctor1987
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 7, 2009 at 8:05 AM — Post 89 of 98

Well i may sound mad but i prefer the 2004 DVDs over the SE as bad of a set it is its on DVD format and i really cant stand VHS any more and haven't used one in ages. Yes some of the changes weren't necessary like trying to make it kid friendly and of course Greedo shooting first but the best thing about the 04 set is they are in anamorphic widescreen and the 06 set is not an the most irritating thing is the blue tint in Empire which i really cant stand and cant wait for Adywans revisited of Empire which i will be watching more of Adywans edit once its finally finished but ill stick with the 04 set for now oh and how could we forget the most noticeable change in Jedi with Haydens head poorly pasted on to Sebastian Shaws head. I could go into more detail but those are the changes that annoyed me the most and any Star Wars fan can pick out. 

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TLSO I see NOTHING!
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM — Post 90 of 98

For some reason the the '97 versions seem more...uh..."natural". I mean CG Jabba sucked, but at the time, the Special Editions were more of a commemorative thing than a revisionist one.

 

EDIT: Damn, this thred is OLD.

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skyjedi2005 Jedi Knight
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 8, 2009 at 8:13 PM — Post 91 of 98

The Jabba scene was better on the 2004 release but it is still redundant all the information it conveys is already there in the original Han in the Cantina scene.

I don't know which is worse the Greedo scene shooting in the 1997 or 2004 but wish it was put back to its original form from 1997, okay maybe they could have added a greedo in a reshoot that looks less fake.  Still Han should be the only one who shoots.

Jedi 2004 was the worst to me Jar Jar and Hayden.

Empire was no better either replacing the better original emperor and the better original Boba Fett's voice, better vader dialogue between the emperor and vader in the 1980 release.

There are some changes, fixes and augments of effects i can undertstand but 90% of the changes just seem unesscessary in my honest opinion.  It was a testbed really for the prequels in 1997 and that is the only reason playstation one era video game effects made their way into the movies.  The 2004 release was another not necessary joke of an edit to try and fix those Continuity errors Lucas made with the prequels and there are still things he did not address.  But ruining perfectly good films to fix terrible to mediocre films is a crime against taste and filmaking in general.

There is also an error i believe in revisiting one's younger works be it as a filmaker or novelist and trying to "fix them"  instead of Moving on and making new things for the world to enjoy.  In fact the unspoken belief amongst average joes is that Lucas has some bizarre compulsion to make his films perfect.  They never are complete or good films to him, yet he butchers them when he already had an audience that loved them just they whey they were. 

To me more power to Lucas he can do fifty edits for all i care as long as the original versions are available in good quality up to todays standards.  It is kinda childish to force people to watch a version of the movie they love and turn it into hate instead of giving them the version they saw growing up. 

Those who grow up with the 1997 and 2004 should have those preserved as well. but the 1970's and 1980's versions should be preserved for all time as well.

Just think of the money Lucas is throwing away by not having a Blu Ray boxset with the 2004 versions and 1997 versions in 1080P and the originals in restored at 4k for live action and 6 k for the vistavision processed effects, then mastered down to 1080p.

And of course he could release just the originals seperately restored on dvd and blu ray for those of us who will never spend a dime on the versions we don't want or already have many times over in our collections.

 

Wow this hate the special editions is twelve years in the making,lol.  Seriously those who have wasted their lives wiating for a restored oot should just accept the gout and move on?  that is pretty much what has happened for me.  Still lampooning the general weird love/hate relationship people have of this once great film franchise its creator and companies is a little too much fun.

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Blackjack Padawan Learner
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 11, 2009 at 3:03 AM — Post 92 of 98

ANH: 1997 version, because the 2004 version royally screwed up the audio.

 

ESB: 2004 version, because Luke doesn't scream as he falls

 

RotJ: 1997 Version, for obvious reasons. 

jhfagan
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 12, 2009 at 3:25 AM — Post 93 of 98

The '97's because they are less removed from the OT than the 2004 editions, but also, the 2004 editions because I just can't argue with picture and sound quality.  :)

 

TheHelmetDork I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 12, 2009 at 8:35 AM — Post 94 of 98

SW: 1997 version, aside from the video quality.

ESB: 2004 version, aside from the weird colour schemes at times.

RotJ: 1997 version, except for BEAK Sarlacc and Jedi Rocks.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda legendary but little-known Jedi Master
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 12, 2009 at 2:35 PM — Post 95 of 98
Jedikev said:Which did you like?

What an odd choice of words.  Sorta like, "which do you like, being hacked by an axe or burned in a fire?"

Davnes007 The one who keeps all of your secrets!
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM — Post 96 of 98
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Jedikev said:Which did you like?

What an odd choice of words.  Sorta like, "which do you like, being hacked by an axe or burned in a fire?"

I'd prefer being hacked up with an Axe - It hurts a lot less.

....err....not that I've ever done it, or anything like that..***tries to look innocent***

 

captainsolo Tauntaun herder-Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 14, 2009 at 4:33 AM — Post 97 of 98

I first experienced Star wars in 1997. Thse are treasured memories for me. While I do not agree with all of the changes, they are understandable. The 2004 dvds are an abomination. They are garishly overdone, and their only redeeming quality is the fantastic Lowry digital restoration-couldn't they have been given acess to the original masters? For me it goes:

97 ANH (Although I now prefer the theatrical)

97 Empire (Long live the real Boba Fett!)

97 Jedi (100% Hayden free!)

Sluggo is automatic for the people.
RE: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — March 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM — Post 98 of 98
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Jedikev said:Which did you like?

What an odd choice of words.  Sorta like, "which do you like, being hacked by an axe or burned in a fire?"

 

 Gotta go with fire.  At least it is a dry heat.  None of that awful humidity.